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so

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hey everyone welcome to the yofohub

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livestream so as you know today i'm

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going to have

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red pill junkie on uh he and i met in

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2014

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which we were just discussing a bit ago

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in this almost seven years ago

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and i think i got in touch with him

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maybe three years ago

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and sent him an email but that was

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pretty much the only time we talked

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so today would be the the first time

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since we were at this event in 2014

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and uh he did an interview with me i was

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very grateful for that

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and so he brought a perspective about

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the ufo subject that we don't get to

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hear very often because

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obviously living in the united states

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the ufo subject is very

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u.s centric and um just having somebody

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from you know he's from uh mexico and i

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believe he's in mexico city

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will clarify that right you know uh as

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when he starts

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talking but um i wanted to find out

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how is the subject of ufology generally

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viewed

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there you know and because we know what

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we always talk about here

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it would be nice to have another

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perspective so

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let me see there was a few things i

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wanted to go over uh if you have any

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questions

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please make sure you have the the three

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stars before your sentence so i know

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it'll pop out at me and that you're

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referring to

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to me and wanting to ask a question and

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um also please make sure to

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sign up on on telegram i know some of

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you have texted me trying to

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to uh to sign up to do the open lines

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since i have that uh going and i

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apologize i was not able to answer any

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phone calls

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any messages or emails sent to me during

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that time because

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i again i'm live and so i i can't try to

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do troubleshoot

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uh with with somebody who has something

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very specific so i hope you have a

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friend

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neighbor someone you know that could

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potentially help you out

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to download it and then next open lines

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which is next week wednesday at 7 pm

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we'll get together and chat about your

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stories whatever it is ufos

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whatever you pretty much want

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so anyway let me make sure i

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bring rpg on

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here because i want to make sure i don't

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have my guests muted like i usually do

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and uh okay here we go

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rpg you're on can you hear me

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yes all right well uh thank you very

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much for being on

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and i don't know how much you heard of

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what i was saying uh regarding

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uh when we first met but it's been a

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it is i mean it's incredible how uh

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time flies you know like uh you blink an

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eye and say

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oh my god you know almost seven years

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it's uh i don't know it's

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almost like uh more than a you know

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college student yes definitely we will

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doctorate in ufology if there was such a

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well i wanted to ask you so can you

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clarify you are mexico city correct

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i forgot to totally ask you before we

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this is the last thing i kind of

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remembered and so i sorry if that's not

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it's a good question because it's it's

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confusing it seems confusing to me or

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where am i

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i don't know trans metropolitan area you

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if if this was a nicer city i would say

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in the suburbs oh okay uh which is not

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i live in what is we'll call what is

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properly called the state of mexico

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envelopes from above mexico city which

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the street federal but now uh it is

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officially called

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there are you go on the city and then

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some some kind of border and i'm still

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megalopolis that keeps growing and

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how this is okay well thank you for

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that uh so what i wanted to start out

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the the term flying saucers kind of got

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and so that's what kind of the story

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please if there is a different point of

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view from anyone outside the united

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about just the ufos in general like how

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everything kind of started in the united

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states but obviously they're not just

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appearing in the united states

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well right i mean what is the metrics by

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the ufo era of obviously uh

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chevron-like objects when when he was

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the beginning of the the ufo era what

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to determine why don't we say oh well

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when this astronomer was taking uh

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of of the sun using obviously you know

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traversing obviously from from his point

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photographed you know so why don't we

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start of the ufo era or why don't we

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of the favitima events and there's a

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wonderful book that i highly recommend

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celestial lights that everybody should

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fina armada and obviously

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a true uh ufo experience

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so why don't we why why do we

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talk about flying saucers uh while

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reason for it is well i mean

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not to be too critical about

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things like that but

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it's because for better or for worse and

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country in the world and that is why we

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the ufo mystery from

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mainly an american lens

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well thank you for clarifying that and

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uh there's a lot of uh footage one can

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exactly is because it's not always

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necessarily just mexico but you have the

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entire continent of south america

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you know in central america so um to

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figure out where

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they're from and i mean not what from

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where this particular video was taken

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what is the general uh what is the

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general point of view

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from on of on of the average person

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let's say in mexico

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what would you say is their stance on

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it's a it's a really good question and

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then it's something that

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people used to ask me when i began

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uh having interviews on podcasts and the

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like what's the difference between the

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in mexico uh with uh

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in contrast to people living in in the

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very cautiously that there seems to be

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a lot more of implicit

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acceptance that yeah there are things

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that we don't really understand

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um you know like it's a given like you

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know someone you know your friend of a

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friend

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or a relative your aunt in my case you

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know i have relatives i have cousins i

290
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have

291
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had a ufo experiences when i wasn't

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present which is you know something that

293
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or really pisses me off it's like the

294
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the phenomenon

295
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is making fun of me but yeah there's

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this

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kind of like imp er tacit or

298
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implicit acceptance that yeah there's

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something out there

300
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but is at the same time not

301
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the center of a lot of interest

302
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if you know what i mean like for example

303
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all the latest revelations that happened

304
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after

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2017 when there was this

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uh i guess now historical uh new york

307
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times

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article uh describing the existence of

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this

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uh secret pentagon program to study ufos

311
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among other things you know awesome atip

312
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that was kind of uh revolutionary but i

313
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feel

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revelation was

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more centered among english-speaking

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countries because

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here in mexico yeah i noticed a certain

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amount of

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interest but it's something like okay

320
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yeah but in other news

321
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like there's so much going on

322
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here with regards to more

323
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pressing matters politics and the such

324
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uh that it wasn't really

325
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taking the the due you know

326
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interest that maybe in other

327
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circumstances

328
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would have gathered and

329
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i wonder why is it that maybe not only

330
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in mexico but

331
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also in latin america uh people have

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this

333
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things like ufos

334
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ghosts things like that and i

335
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wonder maybe it's because in latin

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uh like the culture

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like uh forces you to live or or

338
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to entertain what one might call

339
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a certain kind of like magic realism

340
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by this i mean this idea that

341
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reality is more than what you can

342
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perceive with your five senses

343
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i mean think about it mexico is uh

344
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a very catholic country and actually

345
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,360
let me correct myself mexico is not a

346
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catholic country mexico is

347
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a guadalupe country by by this i mean

348
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that uh the main uh

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like uh center of worship

350
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in mexican culture is not god proper or

351
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jesus it's

352
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the virgin of guadalupe you know and

353
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last year i had my friend greg bishop

354
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with me

355
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and we uh among other things that we we

356
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we did you know i

357
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:51,280
i took him to visit uh toyota i took him

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to visit

359
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the museum of anthropology i also took

360
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him to

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visit the uh la villa which is

362
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like the the the main center of worship

363
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:03,120
of la virg

364
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uh of the virgin of guadalupe which is

365
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outside of the vatican city

366
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it is the largest uh catholic

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uh center in the whole world you know

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it's designed to

369
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you know house uh thousands of

370
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individuals

371
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so and and if you uh also if you analyze

372
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you know the legends of these uh you

373
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know

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a humble uh native

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american or native mexican man named

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juan diego

377
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and how he had these encounters with

378
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:37,280
this entity

379
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that he uh connected with the virgin

380
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:43,360
the virgin mary this has a lot of

381
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correlations with

382
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with with uh the ufo mystery so

383
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and this is and this is something that

384
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uh i think is always been present

385
00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:54,640
in mexico you know these these ideas

386
00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:57,440
this this uh coexistence

387
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,120
with uh other other levels of reality

388
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:04,240
so maybe that is the reason why when the

389
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:05,440
ufo phenomenon

390
00:19:10,150 --> 00:19:09,039
popped up in history mexicans were like

391
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:10,160
oh yeah

392
00:19:16,630 --> 00:19:13,440
sure there's also that like

393
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,640
yeah flying saucers why not uh

394
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:18,640
and we moved on you know to watch

395
00:19:23,669 --> 00:19:20,160
football or or

396
00:19:27,590 --> 00:19:23,679
or a bull fight i think that is

397
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:27,600
maybe a cultural reason why acceptance

398
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,760
of these kind of mysteries in latin

399
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:31,679
america

400
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:34,559
was easier than in countries like the

401
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:35,919
united states which

402
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:39,039
has maybe some kind of like more uh

403
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:42,320
protestant uh culture like

404
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:45,919
some more maybe more rooted on calvinism

405
00:19:52,070 --> 00:19:49,200
or more rooted on on some type of

406
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:52,080
positive materialism materialist

407
00:19:56,470 --> 00:19:53,600
thinking

408
00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,480
which is the thing that gave rise to the

409
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,640
industrial revolution from which

410
00:20:02,390 --> 00:20:01,360
the united states gathered the the

411
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:02,400
amount of power

412
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:05,840
that allowed it to become the the main

413
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,120
you know country in the world

414
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:11,520
but maybe that kind of like vision that

415
00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:14,480
allows you to to gain that kind of power

416
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:17,520
also makes you resident

417
00:20:24,070 --> 00:20:21,039
to accept these kind of things that

418
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:24,080
put into question your little model of

419
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:24,799
reality

420
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,120
like oh yeah you know things are people

421
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,120
are saying that there's

422
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:31,840
weird things in the sky ah it's probably

423
00:20:42,149 --> 00:20:32,480
you know

424
00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:42,159
a flock of seagulls and now we see whoa

425
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:44,400
they saw drones

426
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:47,600
but uh here in mexico if you

427
00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:50,960
say if you hear someone say well i saw a

428
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,240
ufo

429
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,280
the other day it's it's

430
00:21:01,990 --> 00:20:58,400
it's as preposterous

431
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,000
and at the same time as

432
00:21:05,510 --> 00:21:04,799
uh easier to entertain that say well you

433
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:05,520
know

434
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,360
my my my granny was sick and i went

435
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,240
to the to the church and i prayed and

436
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:14,320
then there was a miracle and

437
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:17,200
my gran granny was cured by god you know

438
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:17,840
so

439
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:20,880
and and people say yeah sure you know

440
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,159
that sort of thing happens uh so maybe

441
00:21:29,029 --> 00:21:26,559
that's the reason why in mexico in latin

442
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:29,039
america this sense of magical magical

443
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,240
realism

444
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,440
allows you to kind of like

445
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,400
grapple with all these you know

446
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:37,760
seemingly absurd

447
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,880
phenomena and in a way they

448
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,120
they are absurd you know they cannot i i

449
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:45,600
i posit that they cannot be

450
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:50,000
totally understood by rationality alone

451
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:53,039
but it is easier for maybe for a mexican

452
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,400
to deal with this than for

453
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,000
an american with

454
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:02,640
with an american there is this dichotomy

455
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:03,919
it's either

456
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:07,520
there

457
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:11,600
in-between state

458
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,520
well maybe there's something you know in

459
00:22:17,430 --> 00:22:15,120
the middle you know no

460
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,440
it's either black or white one or zero

461
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:20,400
that's that's very the kind of like uh

462
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:24,400
uh mentality that i see more dominant

463
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,320
in in the american culture

464
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,640
you know that's interesting uh um i

465
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:32,159
wanted to obviously hear point

466
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:34,320
your point of view but one of my friends

467
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,200
she's from

468
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,200
uh colombia and so i got a chance to ask

469
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:38,559
her about you know

470
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,640
what it what is it like like what do

471
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:42,480
people view it and they're like

472
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,559
it and she's kind of said very similar

473
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:46,400
you know what you were saying but

474
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:48,320
generally within her vicinity it's

475
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,720
almost

476
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,960
there's this interest but then they go

477
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,880
on you know watching soccer

478
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:54,320
you can be like oh you're food that's

479
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,080
great you know and then

480
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:58,320
you know and but it's not we're here you

481
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,559
get more of a iro like oh my god one of

482
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:01,840
those ancient history

483
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,159
people you know right because that's

484
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:05,679
almost what seems like that

485
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,760
dichotomy you know it's kind of split in

486
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:09,280
that way to where

487
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:12,320
you're either ancient in history um

488
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:15,280
everything is a possible person you know

489
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:16,320
or you're just

490
00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:19,039
you know crazy ufo you know person it's

491
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,480
just you can't almost

492
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,320
you cannot just have a general interest

493
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,919
because if you do it's

494
00:23:27,830 --> 00:23:25,679
i don't know it depends i mean again i

495
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:27,840
mean we're human beings we're so

496
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,679
you know complex so it's there's not

497
00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:31,360
just one single answer i mean literally

498
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,480
would depend from

499
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,720
situation to situation where you think

500
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:36,159
you should be you would be shunned

501
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:37,919
you're not where you are you know where

502
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:40,080
you expect to be accepted you're shunned

503
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,960
i mean you just

504
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,360
you just never know so um right i don't

505
00:23:46,310 --> 00:23:44,480
want to switch

506
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,320
so let me let me let me also point out

507
00:24:11,190 --> 00:23:48,840
something that i

508
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,669
he was very very interest in the

509
00:24:18,710 --> 00:24:15,840
interested in the ufo phenomenon

510
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,720
so i kind of like wondered you know is

511
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,840
it possible that

512
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,880
you know the ufo obsession

513
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,880
is and i'm trying not to be

514
00:24:29,909 --> 00:24:26,720
controversial and trying not to be

515
00:24:32,549 --> 00:24:29,919
like uh woke here but is it possible

516
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:32,559
that you that the ufo obsession is

517
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,440
something of a white male privilege you

518
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:37,279
know like something that

519
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,559
only if you have certain amount of

520
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:42,720
comfort in your life central amount of

521
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:43,600
stability

522
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:49,919
to devote some time in trying

523
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:52,320
to learn about the ufo phenomena because

524
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:53,440
like you said

525
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:56,640
maybe in in latin america yeah there are

526
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,600
people who

527
00:25:00,870 --> 00:25:00,240
are too busy like trying to make a

528
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:00,880
living

529
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:03,840
in these developing countries you know

530
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:04,799
countries that

531
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:07,200
do not have the kind of wealth or

532
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:08,559
political stability

533
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,840
like in europe in england in the united

534
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,880
states

535
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,960
and the amount of free time that they

536
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,960
have maybe they only want to you know

537
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,360
like

538
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:20,480
or

539
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,240
know and and

540
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,880
just a few few percentage of people are

541
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,400
weird enough like me

542
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:30,960
to take an interest in the ufo

543
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:31,840
phenomenon

544
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:34,880
so this that's something to people in

545
00:25:37,830 --> 00:25:36,000
the united states

546
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,840
to maybe maybe it's kind of like an

547
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,120
uncomfortable

548
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:42,480
uh question but is it something of a

549
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:43,360
privilege

550
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:45,279
that you are enjoying that you have the

551
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:46,480
time to

552
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,320
be interested in the ufo phenomenon

553
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,840
well you know i think um certainly from

554
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,440
the meetings and all the places that

555
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,200
have been in the united states

556
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,440
and this is obviously antidotal because

557
00:26:01,510 --> 00:26:01,039
i don't know anyone that has some kind

558
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:01,520
of

559
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,880
done some concrete study on it um

560
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:06,720
it's actually people that generally

561
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,000
society would

562
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,039
uh consider kind of odd you know

563
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,840
and and and not only that to the point

564
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:14,880
to where just

565
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:17,679
they're not afraid to speak their mind

566
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:18,000
so

567
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:19,840
it's it's more of a characteristic in

568
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,000
that way but um

569
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,240
you know it would be interesting because

570
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,400
it would be nicer if there were

571
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,080
those types of people because then maybe

572
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:30,400
the ufo field would kind of get like a

573
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,799
little injection of of capital to

574
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,960
where you can develop into something

575
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,480
better because instead of just having

576
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:38,320
these large corporations like

577
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:40,000
you know history channel to be able to

578
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:41,840
kind of control their narrative

579
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,520
you know and so um i mean i've known

580
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:48,240
so many people personally that some even

581
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,279
lived in the van

582
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,760
and they would pull in the van to the

583
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,960
bowling alley where would

584
00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:55,039
we we would meet they'll come out you

585
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:56,000
know sometimes

586
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,840
you know i love them to death but this

587
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,120
thing to high heaven

588
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,120
you know and uh just talk about these

589
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:03,279
different things so it's not necessarily

590
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:04,080
a

591
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:17,360
something different to do or they would

592
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,600
say something better to do

593
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:21,600
yeah let me clarify it's not like uh oh

594
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,279
yeah you have a you know you have a

595
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:25,200
mercedes if you are

596
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:26,960
interested in ufos you must you must

597
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,799
have a mercedes-benz

598
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:31,840
parking garage that's not what i'm what

599
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,880
i'm what i

600
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:35,360
meant at all you know and and yeah you

601
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:36,480
know there's a

602
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:39,919
the idea of uh ufos

603
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:44,159
and and liminal ways of living

604
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,919
is is very much real the idea that yeah

605
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,279
we are outsiders

606
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,760
of society for better or for worse we're

607
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:54,159
not the cool kids who you know sat

608
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,480
with the jocks and the cheerleaders at

609
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:57,840
the high school cafeteria

610
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,679
we are like the guys who were sitting in

611
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,520
the back talking about

612
00:28:04,950 --> 00:28:04,480
cool metal bands and also talking about

613
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:04,960
cool

614
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:08,240
books and and talking about ideas big

615
00:28:11,430 --> 00:28:09,919
ideas the kind of things that doesn't

616
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,440
really make good

617
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:14,559
small talk during cocktail parties

618
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,799
uh if you know but we have to

619
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,559
to also acknowledge that you know there

620
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:22,720
are you know a lot of people who

621
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,720
i mean uh i don't know working on

622
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:30,000
sweatshops in you know hong kong and

623
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,640
uh and working 24 7 or people yeah yeah

624
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,679
maybe they're not

625
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:36,080
not only living in in in trailer parks

626
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:37,120
in the united states but they're also

627
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,080
picking cotton

628
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:40,880
you know they're or picking uh oranges

629
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:41,200
uh

630
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:44,240
don't know

631
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:47,360
five dollars an hour in in california or

632
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:47,840
whatever

633
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,960
or here in mexico even worse uh

634
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,360
it's the kind of thing it's kind of the

635
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:55,120
kind of thing that i think about

636
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:58,000
when i listen to uh people who are

637
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:58,320
saying

638
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:01,360
to compile

639
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:04,720
databases using uh reports gathered

640
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:08,399
by ufo researchers and they go and say

641
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,799
well

642
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,960
you know according to our preliminary

643
00:29:14,789 --> 00:29:12,559
studies we find that

644
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:14,799
the united states is the country with

645
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,000
the most amount of

646
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,520
uh of ufo or

647
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:22,640
ufo occupants reports they'll say well

648
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:26,080
you know big surprise you're using the

649
00:29:31,110 --> 00:29:27,440
database from

650
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:31,120
an american right you know and and what

651
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:32,000
about

652
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:38,880
uh also like you said you know have

653
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,000
something uh extraordinary had happened

654
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:43,840
to them but they didn't either have

655
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,559
the time nor the inclination to actually

656
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,760
file a report

657
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,480
you know that's when talking about

658
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,480
privilege you know

659
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,360
the way that you you set your life in a

660
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:57,600
way that you make your time to to devote

661
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:57,919
it

662
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,399
to ufo phenomena and sometimes people

663
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,080
don't have that privilege

664
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,799
even if they're well off maybe they they

665
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:05,520
have to be

666
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:08,799
very busy in order to you know

667
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,919
take the kids to soccer practice and and

668
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:12,880
then

669
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,520
take the wife shopping to the mall and

670
00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:17,279
then they have to work uh

671
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:20,720
you know uh eight days or seven

672
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,320
seven days a week and at an office for i

673
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,000
don't know eight ten hours

674
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:28,240
and you know when that you're asking hey

675
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,600
what do you think about your fault

676
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:32,880
so i don't know you know

677
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:34,640
why don't we talk about uh one division

678
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,080
or or you know

679
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,760
falcon on the winter solar is that you

680
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,360
know let's talk about that

681
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,720
so that's what i refer to you know the

682
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:44,960
there's the ufo phenomenon is definitely

683
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:46,399
a niche

684
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,279
and and i think that happens across

685
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,520
nations not only in the united states

686
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:58,799
also in in latin america uh maybe even

687
00:31:01,990 --> 00:30:59,519
more so

688
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,000
in places like latin america and other

689
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:03,519
countries especially developing

690
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,320
countries

691
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:07,919
and i think that's something

692
00:31:15,509 --> 00:31:12,480
that you uh we should definitely try to

693
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:15,519
correct that the idea that okay

694
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,760
why is it that you ufo ufology is so

695
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,559
american century why is it that we only

696
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:24,640
hear the tales of american

697
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,919
you know abductees or contactees or you

698
00:31:32,470 --> 00:31:29,360
follow jests

699
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,480
you know and and and we don't hear too

700
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:34,240
much about what happens

701
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:41,590
economy politics uh

702
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,720
and things like that

703
00:31:48,149 --> 00:31:46,880
have a heavy role you know or a heavy

704
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:48,159
influence

705
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,360
into that into the reason why our

706
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:52,960
databases are so

707
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:56,080
skewed our perception

708
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:59,200
of of of the phenomenon is so so

709
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:00,159
distorted

710
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,640
it's like that uh you know that

711
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:04,880
animation movie from a few years ago

712
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:08,080
i think uh aliens versus monsters like

713
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:09,200
say well you know

714
00:32:13,909 --> 00:32:12,159
i a ufo crash in the united states the

715
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,919
only country in the world where ufos

716
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:15,039
seems to crash

717
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:18,399
like well maybe not necessarily i mean

718
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:22,399
we hear stories about ufo crashes

719
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:25,840
in peru or or mexico russia has a lot

720
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:28,320
especially during the soviet times

721
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,760
exactly but we're still

722
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,320
you know like you said you know if you

723
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,919
ask people hey

724
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,399
tell me about the ufo case you know they

725
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:40,960
will say oh we're roswell

726
00:32:47,509 --> 00:32:44,080
okay is it because roswell was the most

727
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:47,519
important uh ufo case of all time or is

728
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:48,960
it because

729
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,720
due to economic influences it's the case

730
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:54,320
that people have

731
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:56,799
heard the most it's because there's the

732
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,840
whole whole

733
00:33:01,990 --> 00:33:00,559
hollywood apparatus that is talking

734
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:02,000
about oh yeah roswell

735
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:03,760
the aliens that crash in rogue one area

736
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:05,039
51 yeah yeah

737
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,919
yeah yeah but you you have this all

738
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,519
these millions and millions of dollars

739
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,679
that are only repeating

740
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:14,240
this sliver of narrative and they're

741
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:14,720
leaving

742
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:18,159
all these behind you know and and

743
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:20,960
and that i think affects our perception

744
00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:21,360
of

745
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:23,840
the phenomenon and also the way that

746
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,880
people interact with the phenomenon

747
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:28,480
well thank you for clarifying that can i

748
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,159
ask you a quick question about

749
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,559
uh what you were saying it was i believe

750
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,919
it's before sometimes i get things

751
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,760
confused before we went live

752
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,519
you consider yourself what did you say

753
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,679
you're 14

754
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,840
yeah okay can you please maybe um kind

755
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:43,840
of clarify what that is for those that

756
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,600
might not have heard this before and

757
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:47,840
what what does that mean sure

758
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,000
sure uh for tien or fortianism

759
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:55,840
uh is a direct reference to charles fort

760
00:34:02,789 --> 00:33:59,440
who was an american an american

761
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:02,799
author econo class researcher uh

762
00:34:09,669 --> 00:34:06,480
that wrote in the i want to say

763
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:09,679
early 20th century uh

764
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,040
a a few very very influential books

765
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:15,839
the the most uh famous one is the book

766
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:16,480
of

767
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,000
the damned like th this

768
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:22,879
guy and and talking about a certain kind

769
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,159
of privilege you know

770
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:27,839
charles ford all he did

771
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:31,440
you know for a living was going

772
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:35,119
to the new york library every single day

773
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,679
to go and read old newspapers

774
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,879
uh all books like spent

775
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:45,280
all his time there reading and taking

776
00:34:48,869 --> 00:34:46,399
notes

777
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:48,879
you say well he was certainly uh you

778
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:49,760
know rich

779
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:52,879
well no he wasn't he he in

780
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:56,079
managed to inherit a little bit of uh uh

781
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,839
of of money and he decided

782
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:03,040
to to uh

783
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,320
use that money in in

784
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,359
in a very frugal way in order to pursue

785
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:10,880
his passion

786
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:14,839
which was learning about this sort of

787
00:35:21,270 --> 00:35:18,079
historical facts that

788
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:21,280
were recorded in a newspaper in

789
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:22,160
chronicles

790
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,200
of the time but

791
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,400
that they were kind of like sweeped

792
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:31,440
under the rock or relegated relegated to

793
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:32,320
the sideways

794
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:39,109
reigns of frogs or or mysterious

795
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:40,720
disappearances

796
00:35:46,710 --> 00:35:44,079
you know or or uh

797
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,720
strange lights in the sky or or cow

798
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:48,240
mutilations

799
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:51,280
etc etc so this is the first

800
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,359
guy who started to kind of like say

801
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,960
wait a minute you know why aren't we

802
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:01,839
paying attention to this uh this

803
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:02,800
happened

804
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,160
and maybe if we paid attention

805
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,880
to to these uh kind of like things that

806
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,480
don't make any sense

807
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,480
we might learn something something

808
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:14,000
valuable about

809
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,079
the universe and and in a way he

810
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,359
kind of like paved the road for

811
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,359
a lot of other people that following his

812
00:36:30,310 --> 00:36:26,160
steps and that's why uh

813
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,320
a few people choose to call themselves

814
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:33,359
14s or 14s depending on how you

815
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:36,880
you you choose to to pronounce it

816
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,000
and i to me that the main

817
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,240
uh characteristic or the main difference

818
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:44,320
between someone who calls

819
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:48,079
themselves a 14 uh

820
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,079
to someone who calls themselves simply

821
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:52,079
oh well i'm a ufologist

822
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,440
or i'm a cryptozoologist or i'm a

823
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:58,480
you know i'm a ghost ghost hunter or or

824
00:37:03,910 --> 00:36:58,960
i'm a

825
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:03,920
you know psychical researcher or xyz

826
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:07,599
uh those guys they're only paying

827
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:08,160
attention

828
00:37:15,109 --> 00:37:11,520
to these little little

829
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,119
side or little piece of the pie

830
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,240
and the fortion said wait in order to

831
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:20,079
really make sense of this we need to

832
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,119
take

833
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:24,240
the whole pie because

834
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:27,520
all of these are related

835
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,880
in a way that we just don't understand

836
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:31,599
yet

837
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:35,440
in other words ufos are

838
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,280
related or connected to ufo

839
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:42,480
ufo sightings and are related to

840
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:45,200
religious operations and are related to

841
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:46,480
ghost sightings

842
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:50,720
and are related to reincarnation

843
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:55,440
uh exp experiences near that experiences

844
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,800
uh out-of-body experiences etc etc the

845
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:00,240
fortion said

846
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:04,079
all these all these

847
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:08,160
is connected in ways that

848
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:11,760
maybe we can only glimpse

849
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,280
very very dimly because you know our

850
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,400
the limitations of our of our brains of

851
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:19,359
our understanding

852
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:22,560
but in order to understand this

853
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,920
we also need to take this into account

854
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:28,000
otherwise we are really not going to

855
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,190
oh okay sorry you could cut me off guard

856
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,880
um no okay so basically it's um

857
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,960
what i would always use the term uh

858
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,240
metaphysics

859
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,119
you know to kind of uh kind of put

860
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:46,720
everything into perspective

861
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,520
um so i wanted to then ask you

862
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:53,920
how much you know and i don't apologize

863
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:55,119
that i'm not

864
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,480
very well versed in the in the things

865
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:59,760
only in the research and the things

866
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,320
you've written about but how opened

867
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:05,760
uh is the the mexican government to ufos

868
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,720
like how much are they willing to share

869
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,079
because just recently you might have

870
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,320
noticed you there's been a lot of little

871
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:14,079
you know things dropped here and there

872
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:16,000
and footage and acknowledgements by

873
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,800
pentagon

874
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:18,560
you know and that's sure kind of big

875
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,160
news here in the united states but

876
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:22,400
uh has the mexican government always

877
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:30,550
the short answer is not really

878
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:33,760
and to to elaborate on expand on that

879
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:36,880
is uh i i always get a chuckle

880
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:40,720
when i see in some documentary

881
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:43,280
someone saying oh well there are

882
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:44,800
governments out there

883
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,839
that take the phenomenon seriously like

884
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,240
the maxim the mexican government opened

885
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:52,880
the ufo files you see

886
00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:56,079
and it's like no they didn't i mean

887
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:58,240
what they are talking about is something

888
00:40:03,349 --> 00:39:59,760
that happened i guess

889
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,359
i want to say 20 2006

890
00:40:08,829 --> 00:40:06,000
or maybe 2005 i'm not sure probably

891
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:08,839
2006.

892
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:13,040
uh to to give a bit a bit of historical

893
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,400
context

894
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:17,359
with the period between the year 2000

895
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:18,040
and

896
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:21,599
2006 is important in mexican history

897
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:24,480
because it was the first time that a

898
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:26,720
president that was not from the official

899
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:27,520
party

900
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:30,880
managed to win the presidency so that's

901
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:31,920
when we

902
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:35,599
mexico managed to

903
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,520
uh enter democracy just in the 21st

904
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:40,480
century

905
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:44,560
before that it was a one rule

906
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:47,440
uh party that it was some people call it

907
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:49,359
the perfect dictatorship because

908
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:52,800
they only like elected a new

909
00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:55,839
you know guy to the top

910
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,960
from from the this party and all the

911
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,880
elections were just the parts you know

912
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:02,000
they're there

913
00:41:08,790 --> 00:41:05,599
and any kind of descent or any kind of

914
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,800
uh uh political adversaries they were

915
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:11,040
you know co-opted or silenced up

916
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,480
or just killed so that was mexican

917
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:17,359
mexican politics prior to the 21st

918
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:18,000
century

919
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,079
have our first

920
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,680
truly democratic president and this guy

921
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,440
wanted to make a difference and say well

922
00:41:31,589 --> 00:41:29,280
you know we are going to be

923
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,599
different from our predecessors and

924
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:32,880
that's when there was

925
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,680
a very interesting event that happened

926
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:36,960
involving

927
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:41,200
uh members of the mexican military

928
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:44,560
air forces that i think they were

929
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,160
in the state of campeche

930
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,200
which is in the uh southeast

931
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,160
of mexico uh you know very close to the

932
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:56,720
yucatan peninsula very close to well

933
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:59,359
not that close but yeah like if you

934
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,319
think cancun

935
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,040
well kind of like you move a little bit

936
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:04,960
to the to the west and and

937
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,760
you can find campeche so they were these

938
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:09,920
guys they were on patrol

939
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,640
and and they saw using their their

940
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:13,760
infrared uh

941
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:16,319
systems they saw what they thought they

942
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:17,440
were kind of like

943
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:20,720
you know weird globes or or

944
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:24,319
or or objects like they were following

945
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:27,040
following their plane and they managed

946
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,400
to record it

947
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:31,680
and it was kind of like a a big thing

948
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,960
because the president said okay we're go

949
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:37,200
we are going to let civilian

950
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:38,800
investigators

951
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:42,480
to analyze what happened you know in

952
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:46,000
in you know as a matter of uh political

953
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,440
transparency

954
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,480
like oh great so who

955
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,599
did they choose uh to

956
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:56,560
analyze this information well none other

957
00:43:00,790 --> 00:42:57,599
that

958
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,800
than jaime mousan why because

959
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:03,839
that she's the ufo guy right you know if

960
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,200
you think of the people

961
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,720
in mexico who are interested in the view

962
00:43:09,910 --> 00:43:08,560
of phenomenon well there's this guy

963
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,920
hamilton you know he's been talking

964
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,760
about ufos for 20 years

965
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:14,240
let's give him the data you know and a

966
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:15,040
lot of uh

967
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:17,680
scientists and academicians they

968
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,280
protested and said well he's not a

969
00:43:23,589 --> 00:43:21,119
scientist you know he's just uh

970
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:23,599
a journalist he's just a a a show

971
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:24,880
business man

972
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:28,319
and and moussan

973
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:31,119
using his very very questionable

974
00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:32,319
resources

975
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,599
analyzed the the the video

976
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:38,880
but more than more

977
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,599
rather than actually making a scientific

978
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:43,920
analysis he used that

979
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:46,319
to you know for commercial purposes he

980
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:47,200
used that

981
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:50,640
to promote his tv shows

982
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:54,319
uh you know and that's when people say

983
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:55,520
well

984
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,560
the the mexican government opened their

985
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:00,240
uofo files well no

986
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,920
they only open it once with that one

987
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:04,880
case

988
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:08,880
and i once read something on on a

989
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:13,119
skeptic blog talking about how

990
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:16,400
uh high members of the military

991
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,599
mexican forces were so enraged by the

992
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,359
way that jaime moussant had

993
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,400
handled that case that they promised

994
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:27,839
never ever again to disclose

995
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:30,560
any ufo case to the public yeah and to

996
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:31,520
my knowledge

997
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:32,880
they never did that's unfortunate you

998
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:34,880
know since 26

999
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:39,040
2006 sorry well um

1000
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,400
as you're telling me that i'm trying to

1001
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,480
debate the debate in my head whether or

1002
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:44,240
not i should go down this path but why

1003
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,599
not it's not about

1004
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,480
disparaging somebody but just it was a i

1005
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,560
was wondering if you know or if you do

1006
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,240
if you want to get into this

1007
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,880
regarding this big reveal several years

1008
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:56,000
back that

1009
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,200
jaime had and there was

1010
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:02,640
quite a stir regarding that would

1011
00:45:06,309 --> 00:45:04,560
do would you like to maybe expound on

1012
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,319
that

1013
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,560
are you talking about the roswell slide

1014
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,400
yes

1015
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,240
you know i don't know for those watching

1016
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,920
maybe you can give a little background

1017
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:15,920
if if that's okay uh just to hear it

1018
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,309
you want to go to the national

1019
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,160
auditorium to go and and

1020
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,200
and watch time of some talk about about

1021
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,240
aliens and he said yes because i mean my

1022
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:36,079
cousin fernando god bless his soul he's

1023
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:38,480
uh he's also been interested in in

1024
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:41,760
ufo phenomenon uh since i was a kid you

1025
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:42,160
know

1026
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,040
he and i were very big fans

1027
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:49,119
of moussan we wanted to be part of his

1028
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,319
uh group of uh

1029
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,880
sky watchers you know that's how big

1030
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:54,800
fans of moussan

1031
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:58,240
we were you know 20 25 years ago uh

1032
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:01,599
but yeah i was there in 2005

1033
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:05,680
or was it 2000 of and 15 i think it was

1034
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,280
right 2015. uh we were there

1035
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,680
at the national auditorium when when

1036
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,560
moussan and

1037
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:15,359
there were the the place was packed man

1038
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,440
this is a big theater it's like um

1039
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:22,400
damn ten thousand ten thousand seats i

1040
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:23,280
think

1041
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:27,359
uh and and it was packed and everybody

1042
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,710
you know and and the guy was you know

1043
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,720
he's a very good showman there's a

1044
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,000
reason why the guy

1045
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:43,520
has managed to stay where he is for so

1046
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:43,920
long

1047
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,640
because he really is a very good he

1048
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:47,680
knows

1049
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,000
television business

1050
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:55,119
so he he gave a good show you know i

1051
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:55,760
mean

1052
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:59,040
he managed to spin this thing and then

1053
00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:59,839
show

1054
00:47:06,150 --> 00:47:02,880
uh this guy was that don schmidt

1055
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,160
and and and the other guy uh

1056
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:09,200
kerry or or uh don't schmidt call it i

1057
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,240
don't remember his name

1058
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,880
i i think i never occurred to remember

1059
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,599
his name

1060
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:15,200
and they were talking and they were

1061
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:16,720
showing also all these

1062
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,359
clips that they filmed with uh

1063
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:23,440
the late dr edgar mitchell when they

1064
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,119
went and talked to him about

1065
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,480
oh yes how he he how he learned about

1066
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,880
the old folks in in roswell about

1067
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,440
the roswell crash and yada yada yada and

1068
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:35,680
they show these clips of supposed

1069
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:36,559
witnesses

1070
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:39,760
and then after an hour or so of this

1071
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,559
because this thing

1072
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:43,599
lasted like easily three hours

1073
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:46,240
easily three hours and and yeah i was

1074
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,280
kind of like tweeting

1075
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:49,520
live live trading with my friends in in

1076
00:47:52,630 --> 00:47:50,480
in the states of

1077
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,640
what was happening was great because a

1078
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,400
lot of some of them were actually

1079
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:57,040
actually paid paid for the for the

1080
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:58,079
streaming

1081
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:59,680
oh yeah that's right the livestream was

1082
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,280
happening too

1083
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,400
right i think it cost like 20 or so

1084
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,079
and some people were yeah they were

1085
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,920
making having a great time you know i

1086
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,520
don't know having some beers and making

1087
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,280
a big laugh about all this

1088
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,760
and then the moment when it happened and

1089
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,040
they showed

1090
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:17,520
at last what everybody you know or at

1091
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:18,800
least people in the know

1092
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,430
thing that looked for all intents and

1093
00:48:30,309 --> 00:48:27,760
purpose like a mummy

1094
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,319
you know which had already leaked

1095
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,040
because these guys were so careless

1096
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:35,839
they only managed to to to they they

1097
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:37,119
managed to show

1098
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,720
like less than a second of the actual

1099
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:43,119
slide in their trailer and someone you

1100
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:44,480
know because the internet being the

1101
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,200
internet

1102
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:48,079
managed to grab it and and show it and

1103
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,400
say

1104
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,000
is this it this is what they're going to

1105
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:51,839
show it just looks like

1106
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:54,960
it doesn't look like a a a recovered

1107
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,880
alien you know from a from a saucer

1108
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,079
crash

1109
00:49:02,309 --> 00:49:00,240
and that's what they showed and then

1110
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:02,319
they showed what it was some kind of

1111
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:02,720
like

1112
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:06,720
uh cgi reproduction of of of the alien

1113
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:09,440
moving about very very very awkwardly

1114
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:10,400
because he had

1115
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,480
he had very very very very small

1116
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:16,720
arms sorry sorry i had to but yeah i see

1117
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,160
what you yeah the mic

1118
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,280
but it was kind of like

1119
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,119
ludicrous and then the piece of

1120
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:25,760
resistance uh the idea that

1121
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:28,960
uh the plakar that was next

1122
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,079
to to the mummy or next to the

1123
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,280
the alien uh oh oh oh i'm also

1124
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,160
forgetting the fact that uh mel sand had

1125
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,559
two guys one who was supposed to be some

1126
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,200
kind of like a doctor a military doctor

1127
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:44,720
who actually impressed me i don't

1128
00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:47,200
remember his name i i guess i i have it

1129
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,160
on my notes

1130
00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,960
i i was you know right on my journal as

1131
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:53,200
as all this was perspiring

1132
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:57,200
and this guy like describing

1133
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,520
the kind of like anatomical anomalies

1134
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:04,960
that he supposedly could interpret

1135
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:08,319
from the the this very

1136
00:50:14,950 --> 00:50:11,839
very blurry you know kodachrome slide

1137
00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:14,960
saying well you know we can see that

1138
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,000
this and this and this is very different

1139
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:19,599
and very strange

1140
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,640
and doesn't really uh

1141
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:25,680
relate to what we know about human

1142
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,280
anatomy and it was

1143
00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:29,119
it was kind of impressive like say well

1144
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:30,640
you know i mean this guy

1145
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,599
probably knows a lot more about biology

1146
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,920
and physiology and medicine anatomy than

1147
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,839
i do so

1148
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,440
i have to give him the benefit of the

1149
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,040
doubt right and then

1150
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,760
other guys saying things about i don't

1151
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,359
know

1152
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:47,119
i don't remember genetic analysis or

1153
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,079
something to that effect

1154
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:53,200
but yeah moussan's saying that they

1155
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:53,760
haven't

1156
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,280
managed to to to decipher

1157
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,440
whatever it said in the in the little

1158
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,000
big uh little placard

1159
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:05,359
you know uh next to the the the next to

1160
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,240
the alien

1161
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,680
because they they like focused

1162
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:12,000
more of their their their efforts in

1163
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:13,920
trying to connect

1164
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:17,839
these uh these kodakram slides

1165
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:21,839
to these people that supposedly were mem

1166
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:22,480
friends

1167
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:26,000
of harry truman so

1168
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,000
you see the idea of the will to believe

1169
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:29,920
like connecting the dots you know

1170
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:33,599
going from a to b to f

1171
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:37,839
just by you know jumping to conclusions

1172
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:41,440
and to make a very very long story short

1173
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,319
uh jaime moussan didn't want actually to

1174
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,000
show the second slide

1175
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,839
he was kind of like forced to because

1176
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,920
people in the public were like saying so

1177
00:51:51,910 --> 00:51:51,119
what's the second flight show on the

1178
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:51,920
second slide

1179
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:56,160
said that uh

1180
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:59,440
second slide was kind of like even worse

1181
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:00,640
than the first

1182
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:03,680
it was actually wasn't and then

1183
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:07,599
like less than 48 hours later

1184
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,119
uh people some people that i actually

1185
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,079
are friends with managed to decipher the

1186
00:52:19,030 --> 00:52:15,839
the placard using

1187
00:52:19,910 --> 00:52:19,040
you know software to show that that it

1188
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:19,920
said

1189
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,040
the mummy of a child that was found

1190
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:25,280
at the mesa birthday archaeological

1191
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:26,160
sites

1192
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:29,119
you know and and you know the the

1193
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:30,480
mystery was over

1194
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:37,040
in the united states jaime moussan was

1195
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:40,240
insisting that no uh this is still

1196
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,640
something anomalous and maybe even if it

1197
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:44,319
wasn't actually recovered

1198
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,920
from the roswell crash uh maybe

1199
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:50,319
it was some kind of like alien like some

1200
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,200
kind of ancient

1201
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:54,319
alien that was that had been found by

1202
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:55,440
the archaeologist

1203
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,040
at the mesa verde site so

1204
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:00,960
the show must go on man you know it's

1205
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,079
kind of like with these guys is like

1206
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:07,119
there is this need to keep feeding the

1207
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,480
machine

1208
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,599
you know keep showing

1209
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:15,040
something to the public that they cannot

1210
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,720
or once go and say you know what

1211
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,640
i guess we were wrong you know i guess

1212
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:22,319
we were wrong this time guys we were

1213
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:23,440
fooled

1214
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,160
uh we you know we we had wrong

1215
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:30,960
assessment okay let's keep looking no

1216
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:31,760
with these guys

1217
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,400
they like little people like hamilton

1218
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,760
they double down

1219
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:38,800
and and uh to my knowledge i don't know

1220
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:39,359
if he

1221
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:42,880
has ever accepted the fact that you know

1222
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,760
the roswell slides were nothing but you

1223
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,280
know some kind of like

1224
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,800
i don't want to say it was a hoax i

1225
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:50,400
think it was something

1226
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:53,440
that was concocted by someone who had

1227
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,040
found it and

1228
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,880
thought it was kind of interesting and

1229
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,440
show it to people who are so obsessed

1230
00:54:05,829 --> 00:54:04,400
with the roswell story that they jumped

1231
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:05,839
into those conclusions and

1232
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,119
say oh my god this could be proof

1233
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:12,880
of alien bodies recovered the roswell

1234
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,520
crash and

1235
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,200
and because they are so obsessed with

1236
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:17,200
that they have lost

1237
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,040
all perspective you know and they and

1238
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:21,520
and the whole thing ballooned

1239
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,839
out of proportion you know the idea of

1240
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,200
showing this

1241
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,079
in some in a live event at a mexico

1242
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:29,839
auditorium instead of

1243
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,599
showing it to independent scientists

1244
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,240
who could have easily said you know no

1245
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:37,280
this is

1246
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:44,160
but no these guys were obsessed with

1247
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:45,599
their secrecy

1248
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:48,400
and they're not showing their cards and

1249
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,200
i remember

1250
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:52,480
anthony bragalia uh

1251
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:55,119
criticizing and attacking anyone who

1252
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:56,000
dare

1253
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,760
to to show some kind of like uh

1254
00:55:04,789 --> 00:55:02,720
criticism saying well wait a minute that

1255
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,799
that doesn't look like what you

1256
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:07,839
wanted to be you know uh

1257
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,079
so the will to believe there uh

1258
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,640
it was wild man i don't know what to me

1259
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,000
i i don't i don't

1260
00:55:20,309 --> 00:55:18,480
regret going there because for better

1261
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,319
for was it was historical

1262
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,880
not the way in the way that these guys

1263
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:24,160
were claiming it was going to be

1264
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:25,040
historical

1265
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,240
you know it was it was uh

1266
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:30,559
but it was historical nonetheless

1267
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:31,359
because it

1268
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,480
kind of like went to show maybe it was

1269
00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:36,240
kind of like there was some kind of like

1270
00:55:41,829 --> 00:55:37,839
before and after

1271
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:41,839
in in american ufology due to that event

1272
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:44,960
uh you know that uh

1273
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,160
that some people said you know this is

1274
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,160
this is really getting out of control

1275
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:52,880
and also it was a good example of how

1276
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:56,640
uh how powerful crowd

1277
00:56:03,510 --> 00:55:59,839
efforts uh in the internet

1278
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,520
can be in order to solve solve this kind

1279
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,000
of mysteries because this was solved

1280
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:09,040
by a group of independent uh i don't

1281
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,559
want to see researchers you know it's a

1282
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:12,000
group of independent

1283
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,040
uh people interested in the field using

1284
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:17,680
social media tools and all using using

1285
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,240
um

1286
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,280
online tools in order to go and make

1287
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:23,920
some kind of group effort which in this

1288
00:56:28,470 --> 00:56:26,240
case turned out to be very effective

1289
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,480
and other instances in which

1290
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:31,280
crowdsourcing

1291
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:33,680
efforts in ufology have been effective

1292
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:35,040
have been with

1293
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,680
it has to be said you know mick west's

1294
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,799
metabonk

1295
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:41,599
you know that he uses his group of

1296
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:42,640
skeptics

1297
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:46,319
in order to go and try to analyze

1298
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,440
alleged uh ufos

1299
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:52,319
in videos like for example the video

1300
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:53,040
that was

1301
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:56,720
presented by leslie king that

1302
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:00,799
was given to her by this chilean

1303
00:57:04,549 --> 00:57:03,680
group of uh researchers it's called the

1304
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:04,559
separa

1305
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,200
it's an actually a an official body

1306
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:11,680
that is connected to the civilian

1307
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:12,799
chilean air force

1308
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,520
i think uh maybe i'm i'm wrong but uh

1309
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,040
it has some kind of like official

1310
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:20,640
capacity and they go

1311
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,520
and they analyze ufo cases and there was

1312
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:25,359
this video that was taken by

1313
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:27,760
a helicopter of something that they

1314
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:28,640
concluded

1315
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:31,760
that it was a true anomalous uh event a

1316
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:32,240
true

1317
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,119
ufo or something that was unidentified

1318
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:37,200
and mick west and his group of uh

1319
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:40,079
you know of uh crowdsourcer the skeptics

1320
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,440
managed to debunk it

1321
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:43,520
and said no this is just you know a

1322
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:45,440
plane that is dumping

1323
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:48,480
uh their their uh their fuel

1324
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:51,760
case closed you know and

1325
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:54,160
one has to applaud those kind of efforts

1326
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:55,119
to be

1327
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:58,400
if if one was one if one wants

1328
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,680
ufology to move forward instead of just

1329
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,000
peddling peddling stories like mousan

1330
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,160
has done you know for 25 years

1331
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:09,440
one has to use these kind of tools

1332
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:13,200
in order to say well you know

1333
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:16,480
this this is solved this is a case

1334
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,280
closed

1335
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:20,400
let's move on to the next one i am

1336
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:22,720
um as we're speaking because i wasn't

1337
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,440
really

1338
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:26,000
prepped or prepared i'm kind of looking

1339
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:26,880
to

1340
00:58:32,390 --> 00:58:30,319
because

1341
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,400
this has been a while some people might

1342
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:33,680
not know

1343
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,760
what i'm referring to i found something

1344
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:36,880
but i wasn't

1345
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,720
sure if that was it um

1346
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,480
were you i mean i hate to do this while

1347
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,160
we're live uh can i

1348
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,240
send you a picture real quick and have

1349
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,839
you confirmed whether or not this one is

1350
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,599
it so i can maybe share with everyone

1351
00:58:55,349 --> 00:58:51,359
watching

1352
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:55,359
sure uh let me see i hope this is not

1353
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,839
gonna

1354
00:58:58,950 --> 00:58:58,400
disconnect you no it's not that we're

1355
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:58,960
great

1356
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,480
we're going live folks yeah uh

1357
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,160
there you go i just sent it to you so

1358
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,119
what i'm trying to do is uh to find

1359
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:10,079
the right yeah that's uh our good friend

1360
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:10,480
uh

1361
00:59:17,349 --> 00:59:13,760
yeah that's the wrong well is that it

1362
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,359
yeah sure okay let me sorry i told i did

1363
00:59:21,030 --> 00:59:18,960
not expect to share

1364
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,040
any of this or to share my browser

1365
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:22,640
usually have it uh prepped

1366
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,520
otherwise it's it's uh it's very

1367
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:28,160
difficult to

1368
00:59:33,270 --> 00:59:31,280
get it to display properly so let's see

1369
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:33,280
if this is gonna work

1370
01:00:02,630 --> 00:59:40,309
all right sorry everyone i'm

1371
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,349
these little you know alien yeah hold on

1372
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:06,960
one quick second i'm sorry i had to add

1373
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,520
to him

1374
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,760
so everyone watching i apologize i'm

1375
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,520
gonna have to switch the slide but i

1376
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:12,640
don't have any audio

1377
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:15,839
either from me or um

1378
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:19,119
rpg so you you're not

1379
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,680
if you didn't lose this stream just uh

1380
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:23,280
sit tight i just want to bring in that

1381
01:00:25,589 --> 01:00:24,480
side because i really would like to show

1382
01:00:27,910 --> 01:00:25,599
you the photos so

1383
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:27,920
it might go dark but we're still here so

1384
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:43,280
sit tight

1385
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:47,359
okay there we go we are

1386
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:50,880
we are back and um

1387
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,400
so uh i'm miguel i apologize i said your

1388
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:56,000
name rpg um

1389
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:58,160
so uh you know i was just gonna say

1390
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:59,440
because right now you can't see it

1391
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,799
they cannot hear you i'll switch you

1392
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:02,720
back here very soon but this is the

1393
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:06,880
photo that i had just sent out

1394
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:08,799
let me see if i can maybe zoom in a

1395
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,040
little bit more

1396
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:14,400
so this is the the the evidence in

1397
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,119
question

1398
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,760
i guess this is what uh what's what was

1399
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:19,599
presented at that time and so

1400
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:21,440
just to give you a little reference what

1401
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:24,000
rpg just talked about

1402
01:01:30,470 --> 01:01:27,440
all right let's get back to

1403
01:01:32,069 --> 01:01:30,480
my usual setup there we go and um so

1404
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:32,079
anyway yeah i remember

1405
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:34,720
there was just a little bit of a i

1406
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:36,079
wouldn't call it a fallout

1407
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:39,599
but it was just um um a lot of

1408
01:01:44,789 --> 01:01:43,040
people that uh i mean they're

1409
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:44,799
i don't want to name any names it's just

1410
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:46,799
they're very solid researchers

1411
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,040
that later on i found out were invited

1412
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:50,799
to go down there but they didn't have

1413
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,000
much information

1414
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:53,760
and they were just kind of uh there was

1415
01:01:56,950 --> 01:01:55,039
the first time that they were really

1416
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,960
kind of seeing what this evidence and

1417
01:01:59,589 --> 01:01:57,680
photo is

1418
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:59,599
to be analyzed and just the fact that

1419
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,880
they went down there to

1420
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,720
to look at it or research it they were

1421
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,960
already kind of put in that bubble

1422
01:02:08,549 --> 01:02:06,960
to say you know well you're supporting

1423
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:08,559
this therefore you have fraud with them

1424
01:02:10,630 --> 01:02:10,000
you know and it was very unfortunate

1425
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,640
because

1426
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:12,160
it took a while for them to kind of

1427
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:14,240
distance themselves from from that whole

1428
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,200
fiasco

1429
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:17,039
i'll i'll do the work for you while

1430
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,640
you're you are referring to

1431
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,880
mr richard dolan who is actually a

1432
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:22,400
person that i still

1433
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:26,240
respect in the field despite uh

1434
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:29,599
what some of my colleagues

1435
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:33,680
think of him yeah i mean

1436
01:02:39,430 --> 01:02:36,799
you know richard richard to put it

1437
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:39,440
uh mightily yeah is he screwed up

1438
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:40,640
because

1439
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,240
he trusted in these colleagues of him

1440
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:47,280
saying to him hey there's gonna be this

1441
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,400
event in mexico

1442
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,520
and and we have this evidence

1443
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,680
that we really think is the real thing

1444
01:02:58,630 --> 01:02:55,599
man will you come

1445
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:58,640
uh you know to mexico to unveil this

1446
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,280
thing

1447
01:03:05,910 --> 01:03:02,640
and and and richard i really think

1448
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,920
he wasn't moved by uh

1449
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,839
monetary reasons he wasn't in there for

1450
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:09,520
the money i think

1451
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,480
he was there because uh i guess well i

1452
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:14,160
guess you know i want to go to mexico

1453
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:15,760
i've never been to mexico and

1454
01:03:20,470 --> 01:03:18,720
and these guys these guys that i trust

1455
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:20,480
uh they're telling me that this is

1456
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:22,000
really important

1457
01:03:27,829 --> 01:03:25,039
sure you know and he was

1458
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,839
caught you know in the whirlwind of it

1459
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,680
but he was among the first

1460
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,400
to say when when when the evidence was

1461
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,760
was finally

1462
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:36,160
when the evidence finally surfaced he

1463
01:03:40,470 --> 01:03:37,440
wants he was

1464
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:40,480
among the first to say yeah this is not

1465
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,119
really

1466
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:44,640
what we thought it was this is clearly

1467
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,359
just the mummy of a child right you know

1468
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:49,119
well my understanding was and i don't

1469
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:50,799
know i guess

1470
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:53,280
it's hard to describe to people that are

1471
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,160
that kind of

1472
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:57,440
just watching it's um he was

1473
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,200
my understanding at that time and i

1474
01:04:01,829 --> 01:04:00,880
could be wrong so there's that

1475
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:01,839
possibility too

1476
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:04,319
that it was just word of mouth we have

1477
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,240
this come on down take a look at it but

1478
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:07,760
then it turned into this

1479
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:10,720
huge like it's also a reveal and it's

1480
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,480
almost like well hold on

1481
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:13,920
this is the first time i'm looking at

1482
01:04:17,109 --> 01:04:16,240
this as well so but they kind of kind of

1483
01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:17,119
tagged them

1484
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:19,920
onto that but you know because i respect

1485
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:21,760
you know richard greatly and it's just i

1486
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:22,480
remember

1487
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:24,880
it was just a small exchange it was just

1488
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:26,480
over text about

1489
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:28,079
look i understand what you're saying i'm

1490
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:29,520
behind you 100 percent

1491
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,839
and i'm sorry this has happened you know

1492
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:34,079
i mean how else is a researcher other

1493
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:35,520
than to go down

1494
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:38,400
and look at it you know going to do the

1495
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,359
research right

1496
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,280
and so anyway um because they didn't

1497
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,280
really release it to anyone they didn't

1498
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:45,440
send it to anybody else it was like you

1499
01:04:49,589 --> 01:04:46,880
know tight knit

1500
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,599
you know it was yes nobody knew what is

1501
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,839
this great thing that they have so

1502
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:54,000
and yeah they were so obsessed uh they

1503
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:55,440
were so obsessed

1504
01:04:59,109 --> 01:04:57,760
with trying to keep a lead on the on on

1505
01:05:02,150 --> 01:04:59,119
this man

1506
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:02,160
that you're right they didn't they tried

1507
01:05:05,349 --> 01:05:02,720
to not

1508
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:05,359
show it to anyone they didn't even they

1509
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:05,920
didn't

1510
01:05:12,069 --> 01:05:09,280
even show it to richard until he was

1511
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:12,079
in mexico and and this is one of the

1512
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:12,880
reasons

1513
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:16,640
why you uh and i hate to say it because

1514
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,119
people people say i'm being overly

1515
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:21,599
critical but this is one of the reasons

1516
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:22,240
why

1517
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,039
ufology is a pseudoscience right

1518
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,240
because it doesn't follow proper

1519
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:32,880
scientific property protocols and one of

1520
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:33,599
the proper

1521
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:37,200
scientific protocols is you show your

1522
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:40,960
evidence to peers in order for them

1523
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,000
to break it apart

1524
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:45,760
right yeah if you're claiming that you

1525
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,039
have something physical

1526
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:49,200
or whether it's photographs artifacts

1527
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:50,160
whatever

1528
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,760
uh well anyway so i wanted you to talk

1529
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:53,280
about it because it happened

1530
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,640
in mexico it was where you were at and

1531
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:58,400
so i figured from a

1532
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:01,599
um you know first eyewitness uh

1533
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,400
perspective

1534
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:04,559
well to talk about it but but that so i

1535
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:05,920
appreciate you kind of going into it i

1536
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,799
didn't really

1537
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:08,640
i didn't had i didn't intend for this to

1538
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:10,400
kind of become a larger segment but

1539
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:11,599
thank you for sharing with

1540
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:14,319
so far what you know um yeah my pleasure

1541
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:15,200
so anyway

1542
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:18,319
um what about the past

1543
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:21,760
year and a half uh what how

1544
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:25,280
how has you know this um with onset of

1545
01:06:28,390 --> 01:06:26,720
covet and all of this how has that

1546
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,400
affected the field

1547
01:06:32,069 --> 01:06:30,160
can you maybe talk a little bit about

1548
01:06:35,589 --> 01:06:32,079
that and it's specifically in

1549
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,599
mexico is there still um you know

1550
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:37,599
still happening so it's just everything

1551
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:38,640
just kind of

1552
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:46,710
uh like i said uh

1553
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:50,799
like i said there was a time when i

1554
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:54,000
was a big fan of uh jaime osan and i

1555
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:57,440
used to watch religiously uh

1556
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,640
his tv shows i mean

1557
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,799
thirsty millennial i think it's still

1558
01:07:07,349 --> 01:07:04,079
the name of his show

1559
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:07,359
the third millennium uh

1560
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:10,160
i don't watch it anymore i know i think

1561
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,720
i have

1562
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:13,599
better things to do but nevertheless i

1563
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:14,480
feel

1564
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:18,640
that mexican ufology

1565
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:22,000
has black american info

1566
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:26,000
it's it's it's only like looking

1567
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:30,160
to what's happening in the united states

1568
01:07:36,630 --> 01:07:33,440
uh you know like moussan

1569
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:36,640
is making use of

1570
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:40,640
uh the revelations that came

1571
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:45,039
thanks to both for due to

1572
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:48,000
tom the long and and his to the stars

1573
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:49,599
academy of science dude

1574
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:52,160
which no longer exists anymore by the

1575
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:52,880
way

1576
01:07:55,990 --> 01:07:54,960
you know and a lot of people talk about

1577
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:56,000
that oh please do

1578
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:58,160
because i feel like i'm in the dark

1579
01:08:03,510 --> 01:07:59,920
because i had no idea

1580
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,520
again i don't follow necessarily other

1581
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,520
you know other groups in that way if you

1582
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,520
can share any info for anyone watching i

1583
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:09,680
appreciate it

1584
01:08:16,229 --> 01:08:13,839
well i mean uh i think it was

1585
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:16,239
by the beginning of the year when luis

1586
01:08:20,709 --> 01:08:17,759
elizondo

1587
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,719
who was or supposedly was depending on

1588
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,319
how we want to

1589
01:08:29,110 --> 01:08:25,359
address it he was the director of these

1590
01:08:32,309 --> 01:08:29,120
uh pentagon program you know the atip

1591
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:32,319
uh aerial uh

1592
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:34,880
identification threat something to that

1593
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:36,319
effect i don't know i don't know

1594
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,279
i don't remember the acronym but he went

1595
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:41,040
to coast to coast i think he went to

1596
01:08:43,269 --> 01:08:41,839
talk to

1597
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,279
i don't know if he was i think it was

1598
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,040
george snapp and

1599
01:08:48,470 --> 01:08:47,759
and he told it very you know casually

1600
01:08:51,749 --> 01:08:48,480
that

1601
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:51,759
he was no longer associated with tom the

1602
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:53,679
long and to the stars which was like

1603
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,480
what

1604
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,880
you know because everybody thought that

1605
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:58,560
to the stars was going to

1606
01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:01,279
bring us not only disclosure but they

1607
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,000
they also

1608
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:04,960
were kind of like alluding that among

1609
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:06,400
their plans

1610
01:09:12,309 --> 01:09:09,679
was to develop uh

1611
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,319
man-made ufos you know i mean that's the

1612
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:14,239
thing that they showed

1613
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:17,440
the during their october 2017 launch

1614
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:20,400
you know there was this really cool uh

1615
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:21,440
rendering

1616
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:24,560
of these really weird very futuristic

1617
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,600
craft that was windless that had kind of

1618
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,960
like a big

1619
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:32,080
like doughnut uh in the middle

1620
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:35,759
and the to the stars you know insignia

1621
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:39,199
in the fuselage was very very cool and

1622
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:42,080
and and then came the pledge you know

1623
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:42,480
please

1624
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:46,480
invest you know in our little enterprise

1625
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:48,960
you know and a lot of i guess a lot of

1626
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:50,319
people did

1627
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:52,239
give them money you know i don't know

1628
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,440
how much because up

1629
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,400
at one point in their when you visited

1630
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:57,600
their website

1631
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:59,520
you could see you know how much they had

1632
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,960
managed to gather you know

1633
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,800
like because they have a i think they

1634
01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:04,239
had a six million dollar

1635
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:07,679
goal you know and by the end of the like

1636
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:08,560
the first

1637
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:11,280
month it was clear they were nowhere

1638
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:11,760
near

1639
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:15,120
their goal so at one point the the

1640
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,400
that uh thing of of the

1641
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,719
the the amount gathered disappeared from

1642
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:22,320
their website and they're just you know

1643
01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:23,360
the pledge to in

1644
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:27,040
in invest in in their in their

1645
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:28,840
i don't want to say it was was it a

1646
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:31,520
company i don't know i mean

1647
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:34,960
anyway uh lu elizondo

1648
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,760
then yeah because he's kind of like he

1649
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:38,960
he's always never

1650
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:41,920
very clear with what he has to say but

1651
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:44,239
then yeah he clarified yes

1652
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:47,440
we are no longer you know me and and

1653
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:50,320
uh chris melon and and the other guys

1654
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:51,199
were no longer

1655
01:10:54,950 --> 01:10:53,360
uh involved with to the stars because to

1656
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:54,960
the stars she's pretty much

1657
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:58,880
now focused on the entertainment

1658
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,920
side of of of of of the project

1659
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,600
you know they're they're only going to

1660
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:05,040
make i don't know

1661
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:08,560
books movies comic books whatever

1662
01:11:12,630 --> 01:11:11,600
and so this is not what they wanted to

1663
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:12,640
do apparently

1664
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:15,520
you know luella and and and they decided

1665
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:16,080
to

1666
01:11:24,390 --> 01:11:23,040
and i don't know what okay well thank

1667
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:24,400
you yeah no thanks for clarifying it

1668
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:26,400
because i was i was not aware i was not

1669
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,360
aware at all

1670
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:29,679
but uh thank you for going down down

1671
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,280
that direction because i

1672
01:11:35,430 --> 01:11:33,280
uh kind of immediately when you said

1673
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,440
that i'm like what so anyway i apologize

1674
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,960
the original question that i had then

1675
01:11:41,270 --> 01:11:38,560
was regarding the

1676
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:41,280
uh what the this past year and a half

1677
01:11:45,669 --> 01:11:43,280
two years has pretty much done to the

1678
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,679
ufology field in mexico so i apologize

1679
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:47,199
you started out with that and

1680
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,520
then when you said that i was like you

1681
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,239
got to talk about that first

1682
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,960
sure and and i don't mind the the

1683
01:11:59,510 --> 01:11:55,920
deviation

1684
01:12:04,790 --> 01:11:59,520
admin because to be honest i feel

1685
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:04,800
that the ufo field in general

1686
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:08,400
began to be kind of like absorbed

1687
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:13,440
by the gravity field of to the stars

1688
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,560
for the last uh you know two and a half

1689
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,920
years

1690
01:12:21,110 --> 01:12:20,400
if you go and and i actually did that if

1691
01:12:25,110 --> 01:12:21,120
you go

1692
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,120
and and use the google tools

1693
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,159
to try to check you know the kind of

1694
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,040
keywords that have been used

1695
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,080
uh in in

1696
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:37,280
online articles that you see that

1697
01:12:43,270 --> 01:12:40,400
after 2017 the spike

1698
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:43,280
that you can observe with the keyword

1699
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:46,320
ufos and to the stars and

1700
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:50,960
rises dramatically you know so everybody

1701
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,760
not only in mexico everybody and

1702
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:55,520
elsewhere in the world

1703
01:12:58,790 --> 01:12:57,679
we're starting like looking at you know

1704
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:58,800
what's going over there

1705
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,159
you know what's going on over there with

1706
01:13:02,070 --> 01:13:01,600
the gringos you know what's going over

1707
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,080
with

1708
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,880
you know that like i guess you know yeah

1709
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,560
they say that tom delong is going to

1710
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,159
give us this closure okay

1711
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:10,560
and everybody's was was like uh you know

1712
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:11,920
crossing the ramp saying okay

1713
01:13:15,669 --> 01:13:14,480
yeah i guess we'll just wait for these

1714
01:13:18,229 --> 01:13:15,679
guys to you know

1715
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,239
let's see what happens you know or maybe

1716
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:19,920
maybe other people who are more in the

1717
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,320
know

1718
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:22,400
of what really is going on with the ufo

1719
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:23,679
field or also

1720
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:26,159
you know waiting to see what was going

1721
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:26,800
on

1722
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:30,080
with this new development in

1723
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,679
uh ufology as a as a social or

1724
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,120
sociological movement

1725
01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:37,199
because yeah it's it's very interesting

1726
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:38,640
how

1727
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:42,239
the expectations of the field began to

1728
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,000
to to change dramatically

1729
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,679
after the 2017 new york times article

1730
01:13:52,950 --> 01:13:51,760
i mean i remember i'm old enough to

1731
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:52,960
remember uh

1732
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:56,080
adnan how in old times

1733
01:14:01,669 --> 01:13:59,280
ufology when people talk about

1734
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:01,679
the government they were considered to

1735
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:03,280
be the bad guys you know

1736
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:06,560
the cia the fbi yeah those are the guys

1737
01:14:10,470 --> 01:14:07,679
who are

1738
01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:10,480
uh keeping things promised you know they

1739
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:11,120
are

1740
01:14:20,950 --> 01:14:18,719
isn't it interesting that after 2017

1741
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:20,960
because of tom belong and because of

1742
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:22,560
luella sando

1743
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,750
the government guys are the good guys

1744
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,520
and maybe not it's not just because of

1745
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:33,280
alisson though maybe i don't want to be

1746
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:34,400
too

1747
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:38,159
political here uh and some people

1748
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:41,360
you know kind of resent when ufology

1749
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:43,040
crosses with politics although

1750
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,640
it is my opinion that everything is

1751
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,560
political especially ufos

1752
01:14:50,630 --> 01:14:49,040
but even with what happened in the

1753
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:50,640
united states with the trump

1754
01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:53,199
administration

1755
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:57,280
the perception of uh agencies like the

1756
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:58,960
fbi and the cia

1757
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:02,320
also shifted dramatically you know

1758
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,280
from being the bad guys who are keeping

1759
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,440
things like i don't know

1760
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:10,080
the crimes that happened during the iraq

1761
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:10,880
war

1762
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:13,040
abu ghraib and all that those things

1763
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:14,560
remember all these things that

1764
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:17,920
uh edwards know then and that

1765
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,760
julian assange uncovered with the

1766
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,040
wikileaks

1767
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,520
and there was this perception right but

1768
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,080
after

1769
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:27,440
that with the trump

1770
01:15:32,070 --> 01:15:29,520
the government became the good guys

1771
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:32,080
again and and i think that tom delong

1772
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:34,800
played a role in that and i mean even if

1773
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:35,280
you go

1774
01:15:43,030 --> 01:15:38,880
and and listen to to the

1775
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:43,040
origin story if you wish of to the stars

1776
01:15:46,709 --> 01:15:45,360
tom the long went to these guys in the

1777
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,719
know

1778
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:49,840
said hey

1779
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:51,679
you know you have a perception problem

1780
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,120
with the younger audience

1781
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:55,520
and i can't help you with that because

1782
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:56,719
you need

1783
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:00,560
someone like to clean your image

1784
01:16:07,910 --> 01:16:04,239
so you can go and recruit

1785
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:07,920
new blocks younger people

1786
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,120
to fill in your ranks and

1787
01:16:14,550 --> 01:16:13,600
i can provide that service for you and

1788
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:14,560
that's why

1789
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:18,880
came into being

1790
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:21,920
so yeah there's there is

1791
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:25,920
a lot of perception management going on

1792
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:29,679
with the ufo field

1793
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:33,520
in the last two years and a half

1794
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:36,800
since the 2017 story

1795
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:40,640
dropped and i feel

1796
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:44,159
that all these to the stars

1797
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:49,120
atip allsup the new

1798
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:53,520
the the 2004 nimitz event

1799
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:56,960
uh the tic tacs commander david frabor

1800
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:01,040
this is all we've been talking about

1801
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:04,400
for the last two

1802
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:07,679
two three years and to be honest

1803
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,640
i'm kind of tired of it man you know i'm

1804
01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:12,320
so

1805
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:15,520
effing sick of seeing those

1806
01:17:23,750 --> 01:17:19,440
god damn grainy black and white

1807
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:23,760
videos of the tic tac the gimbal

1808
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:26,640
the thing i'm so tired of it the only

1809
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,920
thing that is good about it

1810
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:30,719
now is that after to the stars dissolved

1811
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:31,199
uh

1812
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:34,159
you no longer have to endure seeing

1813
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:34,560
those

1814
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,920
clips with their watermark on top of it

1815
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:38,880
you know on the on the

1816
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:42,159
you know upper left corner now anybody

1817
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,480
can

1818
01:17:46,310 --> 01:17:45,120
you know put their own their own

1819
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,320
watermark because

1820
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:48,000
you know it turns out it wasn't

1821
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:49,360
proprietary you know

1822
01:17:55,590 --> 01:17:52,880
they actually you know admitted that

1823
01:17:56,790 --> 01:17:55,600
everybody can make use of it right but

1824
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:56,800
yeah i'm kind of

1825
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:59,440
i'm kind of tired of of this there is

1826
01:18:03,990 --> 01:18:00,320
some kind of

1827
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:04,000
stagnation

1828
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,000
that is going on because everybody's so

1829
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:07,600
expectant i'm seeing

1830
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:11,120
oh my god this you uh

1831
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:15,280
uip task force report that is coming

1832
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:18,159
anytime now and it's going to be so

1833
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:18,880
amazing

1834
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,360
and it's going to be you know everything

1835
01:18:26,950 --> 01:18:23,360
we ever wanted and the government is

1836
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:26,960
finally going to reveal to us

1837
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:29,760
that ufos are real and that we're not

1838
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,400
alone

1839
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,640
and and and all these things will be

1840
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:34,880
believed so we're going to go

1841
01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:38,239
and and and grab our tablet or grab the

1842
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:39,199
newspaper and go

1843
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:43,199
to our that girlfriend that left us

1844
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,520
you know last year of college because we

1845
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,120
were weirdos because we were believing

1846
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:49,199
in ufos we're going to show it to

1847
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,320
to her and said i was

1848
01:18:55,669 --> 01:18:54,800
right right right that's what everybody

1849
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:55,679
wants right

1850
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,679
well i think um you know talking about

1851
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,520
different different perspectives

1852
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:01,679
you know earlier you know because

1853
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:02,560
there's of course

1854
01:19:08,070 --> 01:19:05,760
that stagnation in that way because

1855
01:19:09,750 --> 01:19:08,080
after a while as a as a researcher if

1856
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:09,760
you're collaborating with other people

1857
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:10,320
it does

1858
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:13,280
get to a mundane point to where how can

1859
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:13,840
we move

1860
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,640
past a certain point because you know i

1861
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:18,719
mean roswell still gets brought up all

1862
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,280
the time

1863
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:21,120
you know and again i mean there's still

1864
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,360
new people all the time that still

1865
01:19:26,470 --> 01:19:25,440
you know because i mean i've had friends

1866
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,480
that just recently

1867
01:19:30,070 --> 01:19:28,880
you know would would um just kind of i

1868
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:30,080
don't know what happened in their lives

1869
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:30,880
but they would

1870
01:19:34,390 --> 01:19:32,560
reach out to me it's like hey have you

1871
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,400
heard of so and so i was like

1872
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:36,400
yes i've interviewed them go check out

1873
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,239
my site you know

1874
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,480
you know it says like oh wow so you know

1875
01:19:43,350 --> 01:19:42,000
and then you know they'll talk about

1876
01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,360
different stuff and then

1877
01:19:46,390 --> 01:19:46,000
you know uh some even would i you know

1878
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:46,400
meet

1879
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:48,239
other you know significant others and

1880
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,400
then they're into that so they kind of

1881
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,320
kind of drag them down that rabbit hole

1882
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:54,239
and then they get enthralled with it

1883
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:57,199
and so anyway it has different different

1884
01:20:00,709 --> 01:19:57,679
um

1885
01:20:03,430 --> 01:20:00,719
uh ways of i guess

1886
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:03,440
in a way it has a as for some people

1887
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,159
it's

1888
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:06,080
already old news and mundane and for

1889
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:07,760
others it's like this brand new world

1890
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:09,920
that just opened up and it's so

1891
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,480
still out there and all these

1892
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:14,000
possibilities and problem

1893
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:15,440
probabilities you know they're kind of

1894
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:17,600
like that have that twinkle in their eye

1895
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:20,000
where a lot of us have lost it after 20

1896
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:21,440
years or so you know

1897
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:23,840
and but anyway what i was just going to

1898
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:25,600
say it it does depend on

1899
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:27,600
how you also look at certain things

1900
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,800
because

1901
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:31,360
i found myself when you have the the

1902
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:32,080
physical and

1903
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,600
talk about it often when you have the

1904
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,360
the research nuts and bolts

1905
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:37,520
it can get to a stagnant point of view

1906
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:39,280
but when you've had experience on your

1907
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,600
own

1908
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,920
it leaves you with the many doors open

1909
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,360
that you can now explore

1910
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:45,520
and kind of go with because it leaves

1911
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:46,719
you with certain

1912
01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,400
feelings and understandings about the

1913
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:49,920
phenomena where you go like

1914
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,560
wow this is this is big and then you can

1915
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,800
go this route that route or that route

1916
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:57,280
but usually it's a lonely route you know

1917
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:58,080
it's it's

1918
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,320
um you know some people stop that i've

1919
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,320
had an experience and i don't know

1920
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:04,800
how to deal with it to i've had the

1921
01:21:06,950 --> 01:21:06,560
experience i learned from it and now

1922
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:06,960
learned

1923
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,960
more you know and it just has so many

1924
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,560
different varieties so depends on which

1925
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:11,760
category you're in

1926
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:14,000
you're either stagnant not moving or

1927
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:15,840
you're kind of very far out there to

1928
01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:16,239
where

1929
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,280
might as well be alien to everyone else

1930
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:21,840
right i mean it's uh it's the rabbit

1931
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:22,320
hole

1932
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:25,679
right to use a metaphor from

1933
01:21:30,629 --> 01:21:28,719
one of my favorite films the matrix

1934
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,639
it's the rabbit hole and the rabbit hole

1935
01:21:35,350 --> 01:21:32,159
is different

1936
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:35,360
for everybody batman

1937
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:39,040
you know yeah there are people who have

1938
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,719
maybe an amazing experience i want to

1939
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:43,520
think of

1940
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:46,080
i don't know joe simonton you know the

1941
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:46,960
famous uh

1942
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:50,080
chicken farmer who received

1943
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:53,600
the alien pancakes from these you know

1944
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:55,840
he called them italian italian looking

1945
01:22:01,590 --> 01:21:58,800
you know small guys that you know

1946
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,600
requested some water from him and you go

1947
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:04,320
again he he filled his silver pitch

1948
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:06,719
of water and then he you know they they

1949
01:22:10,550 --> 01:22:07,840
gave some

1950
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:10,560
kind of like cookie burned out cookies

1951
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,360
in return

1952
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:14,159
and the guy you know try that and they

1953
01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:16,000
say yeah well you know these guys

1954
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:18,719
came out came down and and they wanted

1955
01:22:24,070 --> 01:22:20,320
water and they gave me these

1956
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:24,080
crappy pancakes that taste like crap

1957
01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:26,159
and that's that and they probably and

1958
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,280
the guy probably

1959
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,199
moved on with his life and there are

1960
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:31,679
people who have probably less

1961
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,800
dramatic experience if i i've never had

1962
01:22:38,950 --> 01:22:36,000
a a a

1963
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,960
true really really interesting europe

1964
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,840
outside and i've seen

1965
01:22:44,310 --> 01:22:42,320
i mean i've seen things in the sky you

1966
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:44,320
know once or twice i'll say ah

1967
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,360
you know you know maybe that was

1968
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:50,000
something but nothing really you know

1969
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:51,440
concluded that oh

1970
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:54,480
what i saw was a true

1971
01:22:58,950 --> 01:22:57,440
ufo no never i'm sure if i had something

1972
01:23:02,149 --> 01:22:58,960
that was a tenth

1973
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:02,159
of the experience of joe simonton

1974
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:05,280
i would be like uh hugh hefner you know

1975
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:06,000
man you know

1976
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:09,920
not with nails this big

1977
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:13,360
no jars full of peace

1978
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:16,800
all around me like reading everything

1979
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:19,360
i could about aliens because that's what

1980
01:23:22,310 --> 01:23:20,960
happens with some people some people get

1981
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:22,320
obsessed with it

1982
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:25,520
to the point that it really disrupts

1983
01:23:30,070 --> 01:23:27,679
their life maybe they had a very good

1984
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:30,080
job a very stable marriage

1985
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,880
they had a couple of kids they have they

1986
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:35,120
have a relatively happy

1987
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:37,520
but uneventful life and then something

1988
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,239
like this

1989
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:41,440
this happens to them and it

1990
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:44,960
turns everything upside down and then

1991
01:23:49,830 --> 01:23:46,480
all of a sudden

1992
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,840
they're living in some crappy motel

1993
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,000
because their wives

1994
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,199
left them they were fired

1995
01:23:59,430 --> 01:23:57,600
they lost custody they don't they they

1996
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:59,440
don't have any money they're drinking

1997
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:00,080
too much

1998
01:24:04,149 --> 01:24:03,040
or maybe they're shooting well let's not

1999
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:04,159
get into details

2000
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,440
but their lives totally ruined by this

2001
01:24:12,870 --> 01:24:09,120
and they're also people who

2002
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:12,880
maybe they were totally uninterested

2003
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:16,239
about things beyond their

2004
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:19,360
small little simple grey lives

2005
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,280
and something like this happens and then

2006
01:24:27,189 --> 01:24:25,120
everything is changed and maybe they're

2007
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:27,199
interested in other things and maybe

2008
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:30,880
even they are transformed

2009
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:34,000
in ways that are very very interesting

2010
01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:34,639
and we

2011
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:37,440
can't really comprehend fully yet that

2012
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:38,719
there are people who

2013
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:42,560
after a ufo experience uh

2014
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:45,679
they develop psychic abilities right

2015
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:48,719
or they develop artistic abilities you

2016
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,040
know

2017
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:51,360
and or they are become interested in

2018
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,639
things like

2019
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,880
uh reincarnation and maybe these people

2020
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:56,480
are where only you know

2021
01:25:03,189 --> 01:24:59,920
people who went to church uh on

2022
01:25:05,110 --> 01:25:03,199
on christmas or maybe you know

2023
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,120
weddings funeral or funeral service and

2024
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:07,360
all of a sudden now they're interested

2025
01:25:13,790 --> 01:25:08,239
in

2026
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:13,800
and maybe even magic practices

2027
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:15,280
esotericism

2028
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:18,320
and that is to me what is more

2029
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:18,960
interesting

2030
01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:22,239
about the ufo phenomenon how it

2031
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:25,520
can transform people

2032
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:29,440
in ways that very few things in life

2033
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:32,719
can do like maybe an ayahuasca

2034
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:35,840
experience if you go that route or maybe

2035
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:39,360
a near-death experience if

2036
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,880
if you happen to to to survive that

2037
01:25:45,990 --> 01:25:45,360
that is to me what is more valuable

2038
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:46,000
about

2039
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:50,400
ufos not trying to determine

2040
01:25:54,790 --> 01:25:54,400
the propulsion system or the materials

2041
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,800
that

2042
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,600
they're made of or what the planets or

2043
01:26:01,910 --> 01:25:58,639
stars

2044
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:01,920
i don't give a damn

2045
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:05,840
where ufos come from i'm more interested

2046
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:06,560
and

2047
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:09,920
how they transform us well

2048
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:12,960
that's a great

2049
01:26:18,310 --> 01:26:16,239
segue to actually what i want to do uh

2050
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:18,320
a few things first thank you again very

2051
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:19,440
much for being on

2052
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:22,239
so for those watching um it's the show

2053
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:23,520
obviously it's very different than what

2054
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:23,840
i

2055
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,440
the other

2056
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:37,520
thing that i wanted to say is um i'm

2057
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,360
going to ask

2058
01:26:43,350 --> 01:26:41,600
one more question uh to kind of as a

2059
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:43,360
follow-up but also for those

2060
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:46,400
watching um please go ahead start if you

2061
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,440
have any questions

2062
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:49,520
please start typing them up so i can see

2063
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:51,199
them in the queue if you have any for

2064
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:52,719
rpg

2065
01:26:58,709 --> 01:26:56,159
and so also while you're

2066
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,719
watching this or maybe after this check

2067
01:27:02,229 --> 01:26:59,920
out the description

2068
01:27:03,270 --> 01:27:02,239
below it'll have the what is that tell

2069
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:03,280
me again

2070
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,480
rpg was it that the grail the what was

2071
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,000
it again

2072
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:11,199
yes the daily daily grill

2073
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:13,040
yeah it's it's in the description and

2074
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,480
then there's the other website that you

2075
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,400
gave me as well

2076
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:19,520
oh absorbed by design which is my

2077
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,960
personal website

2078
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:22,800
which is kind of like uh i don't know

2079
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:25,280
it's more an art gallery right

2080
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:27,600
than an actual you know uh you don't see

2081
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:29,520
a lot of articles there because that's

2082
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,639
not the main function uh but it's still

2083
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:34,480
you know something that is the year

2084
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:36,320
tomorrow so please check it out

2085
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:42,790
because i don't know uh are you rpg are

2086
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,440
you good

2087
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,360
can can i just ask you another question

2088
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,280
and then for us to do some q a

2089
01:27:51,110 --> 01:27:49,040
or how do you feel energy why is you

2090
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:51,120
good sure sure okay well thank you thank

2091
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:51,920
you very much

2092
01:27:57,830 --> 01:27:56,080
i may want uh to to to go for a refill

2093
01:27:59,430 --> 01:27:57,840
okay good deal well when you do that let

2094
01:28:01,350 --> 01:27:59,440
me um do you want me to

2095
01:28:03,669 --> 01:28:01,360
show you i'll search you out and then uh

2096
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:03,679
when you uh you go into

2097
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:06,880
leaving right now no no no

2098
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,159
no no let's let's go let's uh

2099
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:12,400
if there are questions you know i'll be

2100
01:28:15,910 --> 01:28:13,679
happy to to answer

2101
01:28:16,709 --> 01:28:15,920
all right so um anyway so please

2102
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:16,719
remember

2103
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:19,360
put the three stars uh uh before your

2104
01:28:21,990 --> 01:28:20,000
sentence

2105
01:28:24,390 --> 01:28:22,000
so that way i know it's a question for

2106
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,400
the guest so

2107
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,400
i know this is probably going to open up

2108
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:28,400
rpg gonna open up a whole new

2109
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:32,320
uh um i guess uh

2110
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:34,320
i guess i don't know a barrage of things

2111
01:28:38,470 --> 01:28:35,520
to cover but

2112
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:38,480
um because it it's probably i feel like

2113
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:40,400
it's a subject that can be

2114
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,920
gone into is for hours on end regarding

2115
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:45,520
the the very thing you just described

2116
01:28:48,550 --> 01:28:47,120
about these experiences that are that

2117
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:48,560
have been gotten from these

2118
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:50,639
um you know different encounters ufo

2119
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:51,760
encounters

2120
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:54,960
is there any prominent stories

2121
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:57,199
that are that you are aware of that

2122
01:29:00,149 --> 01:28:59,120
originated from mexico and you always

2123
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:00,159
know the once in the

2124
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:03,360
united states but do you can you share

2125
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:03,840
some

2126
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:06,719
that are from the mexican point of view

2127
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:08,719
about certain experiences that are kind

2128
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:14,070
made themselves known over the years

2129
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,280
one of my favorite ufo

2130
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:20,159
cases of all time i mean we're talking

2131
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:21,440
about

2132
01:29:29,430 --> 01:29:25,040
giving more credence to

2133
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:29,440
pilots right airplane pilots because

2134
01:29:35,350 --> 01:29:31,679
these are people who

2135
01:29:38,310 --> 01:29:35,360
are more trained about

2136
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:38,320
you know perceiving things visually you

2137
01:29:43,110 --> 01:29:39,920
know and there are

2138
01:29:46,390 --> 01:29:43,120
we we think of them and you know

2139
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:46,400
justifiably to be more reliable that

2140
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:49,600
the average yo in the streets

2141
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:52,880
and one of the one of the cases that i'm

2142
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:57,520
more fond of involving a mexican pilot

2143
01:30:06,870 --> 01:30:01,679
happened i want to say 1977

2144
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:06,880
or 17 now it was 77 it happened in 1977

2145
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:10,239
with a young pilot called

2146
01:30:14,310 --> 01:30:13,440
carlos antonio de los santos who this is

2147
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:14,320
a guy

2148
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,159
who was starting his pilot career you

2149
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:20,239
know he was just like uh

2150
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:23,440
before you know before flying the big

2151
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:24,880
planes you first need to

2152
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:27,600
like cover a lot a certain number of

2153
01:30:31,110 --> 01:30:28,560
hours

2154
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:31,120
piloting uh smaller planes you know

2155
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:31,600
until

2156
01:30:36,870 --> 01:30:34,639
you you you get enough

2157
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:36,880
experience right that's that's how the

2158
01:30:40,229 --> 01:30:38,080
thing goes with

2159
01:30:41,110 --> 01:30:40,239
with that kind of career and this is a

2160
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:41,120
guy who was

2161
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:44,239
flying from uh

2162
01:30:47,990 --> 01:30:47,280
si guatanejo in mexico is in the state

2163
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:48,000
of guerrero

2164
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:51,440
is in this is uh southwest

2165
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:54,480
of mexico and and maybe if you are

2166
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,400
a fan of the movie the shawshank

2167
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:57,920
redemption you

2168
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,719
probably heard see what anejo said about

2169
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:02,000
morgan freeman or

2170
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,960
or tim robbins so this guy was flying

2171
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:06,960
from that place

2172
01:31:14,149 --> 01:31:10,159
back to mexico city you know in

2173
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:14,159
a small piper airplane and suddenly

2174
01:31:21,030 --> 01:31:17,840
his he saw from his from his

2175
01:31:23,510 --> 01:31:21,040
cockpit window these objects we

2176
01:31:25,270 --> 01:31:23,520
which were kind of weird which were kind

2177
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:25,280
of like a

2178
01:31:32,070 --> 01:31:28,400
small circular in in shape

2179
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:32,080
uh uh a kind of like uh

2180
01:31:39,189 --> 01:31:35,360
opaque gray in texture

2181
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:39,199
and had like a uh a polarized

2182
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:43,120
uh cockpit you know kind of like a

2183
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:46,960
tinted glass so you can really see

2184
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:49,520
inside of it and and they were kind of

2185
01:31:53,430 --> 01:31:50,239
like

2186
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:53,440
covering coming very silently uh

2187
01:32:00,470 --> 01:31:56,719
two from each side of his plane and

2188
01:32:03,990 --> 01:32:00,480
coming near him and and like positioning

2189
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:04,000
themselves right above his

2190
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:07,040
uh wing his the wings of his plane and

2191
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:09,760
then a third one came like

2192
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:12,639
right in front of him and and and dived

2193
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:14,239
you know beneath his plane

2194
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:17,600
and actually according to him he scraped

2195
01:32:21,910 --> 01:32:20,000
the plane you know he could hear you

2196
01:32:24,870 --> 01:32:21,920
know a metallic noise

2197
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:24,880
provoked by by the object colliding with

2198
01:32:33,750 --> 01:32:25,199
the

2199
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:33,760
longer

2200
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,560
control uh the airplane you know the the

2201
01:32:40,550 --> 01:32:38,000
the the joystick

2202
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:40,560
or or or or the controls were not

2203
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:41,360
responding

2204
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:44,560
you know and and the the

2205
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:48,080
these objects were like took control of

2206
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:49,360
his plane

2207
01:32:54,229 --> 01:32:52,400
for a number of minutes and imagine

2208
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:54,239
imagine the kind of like panic

2209
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:58,480
that you know this guy uh you know

2210
01:33:05,910 --> 01:33:01,760
experience and actually

2211
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:05,920
you know no not only can imagine it

2212
01:33:13,910 --> 01:33:10,080
you can actually listen to it if you go

2213
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:13,920
you can actually find the recording of

2214
01:33:19,189 --> 01:33:15,440
this guy

2215
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:19,199
using his radio to contact the

2216
01:33:25,430 --> 01:33:22,239
mexico airport radio tower

2217
01:33:27,510 --> 01:33:25,440
and and you can hear this guy

2218
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:27,520
talking and saying how he had lost

2219
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,199
control of his plane and that

2220
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:32,159
there were you know these objects that

2221
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:33,920
had took control of the plane you you

2222
01:33:38,149 --> 01:33:35,120
can actually

2223
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:38,159
uh maybe uh later on i can i can send

2224
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:38,560
you

2225
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:42,000
uh

2226
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:45,040
you know type the name of the guy carlos

2227
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:49,120
antonio de los santos and you put ufo or

2228
01:33:53,430 --> 01:33:52,400
opni event i'm sure you can find it it's

2229
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:53,440
a it's a small

2230
01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,280
uh uh recording but it's the guy

2231
01:34:00,950 --> 01:33:59,520
talking and saying i'm no longer

2232
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:00,960
controlling my plane

2233
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:03,440
uh i lost control of my plan and and

2234
01:34:08,070 --> 01:34:04,880
this happened

2235
01:34:11,110 --> 01:34:08,080
and and and after a while

2236
01:34:14,709 --> 01:34:11,120
the objects departed

2237
01:34:17,750 --> 01:34:14,719
apparently they fled uh in route

2238
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:17,760
to i think they he said

2239
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:21,199
they were moving toward mount papoca

2240
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:22,000
capital

2241
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:26,000
which if you are uh aware of ufo events

2242
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:27,120
in mexico

2243
01:34:31,510 --> 01:34:30,239
you might know that mount popo which is

2244
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:31,520
an active volcano

2245
01:34:37,430 --> 01:34:34,719
mix near mexico city there's

2246
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:37,440
a lot of recorded ufo activity in that

2247
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:38,239
area you know

2248
01:34:42,070 --> 01:34:41,040
there's a lot of uh uh because if it

2249
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:42,080
because if it is

2250
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,600
it's an active volcano there are cameras

2251
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:48,400
always recording the volcanic activity

2252
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:50,800
and sometimes those cameras record

2253
01:34:54,550 --> 01:34:52,960
mysterious lights that sometimes go

2254
01:34:56,790 --> 01:34:54,560
inside the volcano

2255
01:34:57,830 --> 01:34:56,800
volcano and people and scientists say

2256
01:35:00,470 --> 01:34:57,840
well that's probably

2257
01:35:01,430 --> 01:35:00,480
uh some kind of meteorite i'm not so

2258
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:01,440
sure about that

2259
01:35:04,790 --> 01:35:04,159
but anyway back to carlos antonio's

2260
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:04,800
story

2261
01:35:10,970 --> 01:35:08,480
yeah those objects departed and the guy

2262
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:10,980
uh with the help of of of the

2263
01:35:14,629 --> 01:35:12,320
[Music]

2264
01:35:16,950 --> 01:35:14,639
authorities from the mexican airport

2265
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:16,960
managed to land his plane

2266
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,840
and there after afterwards there was

2267
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:21,360
this big report

2268
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,840
you know this big this big investigation

2269
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:25,360
about what happened

2270
01:35:31,350 --> 01:35:28,480
and it was determined that uh the

2271
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,360
the rather the rather operators from the

2272
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:33,760
from the radio tower in mexico city

2273
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:37,760
did detect some kind of like uh blip

2274
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:40,080
moving away from from carlos antonio's

2275
01:35:43,990 --> 01:35:41,040
plane

2276
01:35:44,470 --> 01:35:44,000
moving towards that direction so what he

2277
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:44,480
said

2278
01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:48,320
was actually validated but by radar data

2279
01:35:52,870 --> 01:35:49,840
you know which is to me something very

2280
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:52,880
interesting and also the idea that

2281
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:55,520
there was a physical analysis of the

2282
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,520
plane and yes it was shown

2283
01:36:00,790 --> 01:35:59,679
that it had suffered some kind of like

2284
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:00,800
collision

2285
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:04,560
in me there that had actually affected

2286
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:06,960
the landing gear which was the reason

2287
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:08,159
why he had so much

2288
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:11,760
trouble landing the plane and

2289
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:13,840
and also it was determined that the guy

2290
01:36:17,830 --> 01:36:16,000
hadn't been drinking hadn't been taking

2291
01:36:21,030 --> 01:36:17,840
any kind of like uh

2292
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:21,040
drugs you know he was in good health he

2293
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:21,520
wasn't

2294
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:25,760
he had no reason to lie

2295
01:36:30,790 --> 01:36:28,719
and and they determined that you know

2296
01:36:32,870 --> 01:36:30,800
whatever it is

2297
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,880
something something strange happened and

2298
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:34,560
they let the guy keep

2299
01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:38,239
flying so another interesting thing

2300
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:38,960
about this

2301
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:42,239
this fantastic case is uh the fact

2302
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:45,440
that dr j allen heineck

2303
01:36:51,510 --> 01:36:48,960
came to mexico at the behest of uh

2304
01:36:54,310 --> 01:36:51,520
don pedro ferris pedro ferris was like

2305
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:54,320
the father of mexican ufologies

2306
01:37:01,510 --> 01:36:57,679
one of my personal heroes and

2307
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:01,520
uh heinek learned of this case

2308
01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,400
thanks to feriz so he came to mexico to

2309
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:06,000
interview

2310
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:09,600
carlos antonio and the first time they

2311
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:10,400
had agreed

2312
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:13,679
to to meet so heineken

2313
01:37:19,109 --> 01:37:17,040
questioned the guy he didn't

2314
01:37:20,149 --> 01:37:19,119
arrive they didn't know what happened to

2315
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:20,159
him and later

2316
01:37:27,430 --> 01:37:24,159
they found out that he had been actually

2317
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:27,440
uh menaced uh

2318
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:30,880
by some sorts of men in black and they

2319
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:34,000
they threatened him and told him to keep

2320
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:36,560
quiet and to my knowledge this is one of

2321
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:37,440
the few

2322
01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:41,440
cases of alleged mibs

2323
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:44,239
that happened here in mexico so this is

2324
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:44,719
one of

2325
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,960
so fascinating this is

2326
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:50,880
i mean to me this is way better than

2327
01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:52,639
what happened with david fravor you know

2328
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:53,199
like

2329
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:55,440
i mean if you want physical evidence

2330
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:56,320
about

2331
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,360
the existence of ufos did this case has

2332
01:38:02,470 --> 01:38:01,840
more evidence about ufos than you know

2333
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,480
those

2334
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:04,880
goddamn tic tacs you know right and and

2335
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:07,040
to me yeah this this is one of my

2336
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:10,080
top 10 top 10 uh ufo

2337
01:38:13,830 --> 01:38:12,639
cases of all time well thank you very

2338
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:13,840
much for sharing that i

2339
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,920
really appreciate it and um you know um

2340
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,239
again you know it's it's one of these

2341
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:21,920
things that we don't get to hear very

2342
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:22,880
often that

2343
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:26,159
you have very not saying but similar

2344
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:28,880
stories going on also than you obviously

2345
01:38:32,310 --> 01:38:30,880
in the united states but good to know

2346
01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,320
or at least i don't know if it's good to

2347
01:38:36,550 --> 01:38:35,040
know it's it's it's nice to share that

2348
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,560
it's not just happening here

2349
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:38,080
because sometimes you can you can

2350
01:38:41,669 --> 01:38:40,000
develop an ego-centric

2351
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,679
point of view when when you think it's

2352
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:43,119
just all about you

2353
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:45,199
uh when i'm when it comes to us so

2354
01:38:49,830 --> 01:38:46,800
anyway uh thank you for that

2355
01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:49,840
um again every um everyone if you could

2356
01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:51,600
before you if you have a question please

2357
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:53,280
make sure you put three

2358
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,600
three stars there so that it pops out at

2359
01:39:00,149 --> 01:38:57,280
me you guys have been

2360
01:39:01,030 --> 01:39:00,159
awesomely busy today which is great uh

2361
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:01,040
but sometimes

2362
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:02,719
um when there's too much chatter going

2363
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:04,960
on i can't discern who's asking what

2364
01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:07,840
but here we go so uh this question is

2365
01:39:10,390 --> 01:39:08,320
and i

2366
01:39:12,149 --> 01:39:10,400
i have not heard him say this name so

2367
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,159
i'm gonna probably butcher it but it's

2368
01:39:16,950 --> 01:39:15,440
fabrice or fabrizi and i believe he said

2369
01:39:18,790 --> 01:39:16,960
he was in france which is

2370
01:39:20,070 --> 01:39:18,800
really late there right now so i think

2371
01:39:20,950 --> 01:39:20,080
it's pretty cool that he's still up

2372
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:20,960
listening

2373
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:23,600
um or watching in this case the question

2374
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:24,000
he had

2375
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:27,600
says question to miguel sorry rpg lol

2376
01:39:32,310 --> 01:39:30,560
can you see uh can you see soon a

2377
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:32,320
possible platform where the us and

2378
01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,910
uh with regards to i think that's what

2379
01:39:44,550 --> 01:39:41,280
he meant

2380
01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:44,560
ah i mean

2381
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,760
wouldn't that be great if there was some

2382
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:48,719
kind of like

2383
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:51,760
uh like

2384
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:54,560
pact or kind of like the treaty i mean

2385
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:56,560
we have commercial treaties like

2386
01:40:03,109 --> 01:39:59,840
in in north america we used to have uh

2387
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:03,119
nafta now we have a another kind of like

2388
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:03,840
uh

2389
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:10,960
united states and canada and mexico

2390
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:14,320
and wouldn't that be great if there was

2391
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:16,800
some kind of like hey guys you know

2392
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:20,159
let's share data shall we

2393
01:40:26,950 --> 01:40:23,440
if if this kind of things happened

2394
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:26,960
although i fear fabrice

2395
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,760
uh i hope i'm saying your name correctly

2396
01:40:32,790 --> 01:40:31,040
i fear that

2397
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,800
with these kind of things with you the

2398
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,040
ufo phenomenon

2399
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:38,400
the situation has always been

2400
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:42,400
very unilateral like

2401
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:46,000
if something happens in mexico

2402
01:40:53,350 --> 01:40:50,480
or in brazil or in argentina

2403
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:53,360
then the americans demand all

2404
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:54,560
information and

2405
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:57,840
data or maybe even material evidence

2406
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:00,880
to be sent to them and

2407
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:03,119
the latin american authorities they say

2408
01:41:08,709 --> 01:41:04,159
yeah

2409
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:08,719
sure you know whatever you say senor

2410
01:41:12,629 --> 01:41:10,960
and and they never hear anything about

2411
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:12,639
it because well you know

2412
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,080
the americanos they they know probably

2413
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:18,639
what's best you know they have they have

2414
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,239
better equipment they have more

2415
01:41:25,510 --> 01:41:21,600
resources

2416
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:25,520
so and and i feel

2417
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,719
that for the majority of the governments

2418
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:30,400
of this world

2419
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:34,560
the ufo phenomenon is such a nuisance

2420
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:38,239
that to have someone to say ah

2421
01:41:42,470 --> 01:41:40,880
let me get get this off your back you

2422
01:41:43,189 --> 01:41:42,480
know you don't have to worry about this

2423
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:43,199
you know you

2424
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:46,480
just give it to me they will say

2425
01:41:52,310 --> 01:41:49,840
thank you you know sure here you go

2426
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:52,320
you know instead of trying to deal with

2427
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:53,280
it you know

2428
01:41:57,669 --> 01:41:56,480
so i think that's what has happened in

2429
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:57,679
the past

2430
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,960
with regards to the ufo phenomenon

2431
01:42:04,149 --> 01:42:03,040
and i don't know i don't know i i don't

2432
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:04,159
see

2433
01:42:09,189 --> 01:42:07,920
if something could happen that could

2434
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:09,199
change that

2435
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:12,560
unless maybe maybe and this is i'm

2436
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:15,840
i'm putting my speculating cap

2437
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:19,040
here maybe if the if the this

2438
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:23,520
new report that is going to be presented

2439
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:27,040
ends up saying yeah we have

2440
01:42:32,470 --> 01:42:30,159
evidence that

2441
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:32,480
adversaries to the united states and

2442
01:42:36,149 --> 01:42:33,520
even to to

2443
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:36,159
other countries like the chinese and the

2444
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:37,199
russians

2445
01:42:43,750 --> 01:42:40,719
are threatening our airspace

2446
01:42:44,470 --> 01:42:43,760
our borders and we need more information

2447
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:44,480
we we

2448
01:42:50,950 --> 01:42:47,920
we have this drone problem that we need

2449
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,960
help to solve and maybe even you know

2450
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:52,560
the americans saying

2451
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,960
to the mexican authorities hey we have

2452
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:56,719
evidence that i don't know

2453
01:43:04,149 --> 01:42:59,840
the cartels are using drones

2454
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:04,159
in order to uh drop

2455
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:07,920
their cargo of you know narcotics

2456
01:43:14,470 --> 01:43:11,440
uh through the borders so therefore

2457
01:43:15,030 --> 01:43:14,480
we need you guys to help us detect you

2458
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,040
know

2459
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,440
if there's something anomalous happening

2460
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:19,760
uh between the

2461
01:43:25,590 --> 01:43:23,360
american mexico border with regards to

2462
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,600
you know an anomalous thing these things

2463
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:27,520
in the sky

2464
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:29,920
that is to me the only way in which

2465
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,719
maybe the

2466
01:43:34,390 --> 01:43:32,880
mexican government will say yeah well

2467
01:43:37,270 --> 01:43:34,400
okay we'll help you you know

2468
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:37,280
you know okay boy i have so many

2469
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,159
follow-up questions

2470
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,320
but otherwise it'll just take us down

2471
01:43:43,750 --> 01:43:42,239
another tangent and i wanted to go ahead

2472
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:43,760
and ask him this question

2473
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:47,040
but uh uh man it's tempting but i'm not

2474
01:43:51,270 --> 01:43:48,639
gonna go i'm not gonna do it

2475
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:51,280
so this other one this other question is

2476
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:51,679
from

2477
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,520
hazel i believe at one point she said

2478
01:43:59,030 --> 01:43:55,840
she's in spain right now so

2479
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:59,040
uh the question is what

2480
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:01,199
what is your gut feeling for the next

2481
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:02,960
couple of years and i'm assuming it's

2482
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:06,080
also regarding this ufo phenomena

2483
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:12,870
such such a great question

2484
01:44:21,109 --> 01:44:16,560
so so difficult to answer

2485
01:44:24,229 --> 01:44:21,119
i mean if you had told me

2486
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:24,239
in 2016

2487
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:28,880
that there was going to be

2488
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:32,800
articles about ufos appearing in the new

2489
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:35,040
york times

2490
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:38,800
i would have laughed out loud and said

2491
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:42,880
no way man no way like gets real

2492
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:46,960
uh i don't know it's difficult i mean

2493
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:51,199
sometimes the scenic part of me feels

2494
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:54,480
that this whole new

2495
01:45:02,709 --> 01:44:58,239
uh a social attention about ufos

2496
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:02,719
is going to eventually fizzle out

2497
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:06,400
because let us remember this is this new

2498
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:10,000
uh interest in in in in ufos

2499
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,760
it's kind of like i don't want to say

2500
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:13,440
it's uh artificial

2501
01:45:21,189 --> 01:45:17,520
because apparently there has been ufo

2502
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:21,199
or or uap related events happening

2503
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:25,679
after 2017 but

2504
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:28,880
there's not been any kind of like

2505
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:32,320
one of those ufo waves you know like

2506
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:35,520
happening in in in a certain uh

2507
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:38,560
heavily populated area of the world like

2508
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:39,520
you know like

2509
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:42,800
what used to happen i i i want to say

2510
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:46,480
in the new york state

2511
01:45:51,990 --> 01:45:49,520
in the late 1980s in the hudson

2512
01:45:54,310 --> 01:45:52,000
valley area when people used to see

2513
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:54,320
these uh

2514
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,360
boomerang type giant ufos or

2515
01:46:01,189 --> 01:46:00,239
in belgium in the 1990s you know this is

2516
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:01,199
a

2517
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:11,600
uh

2518
01:46:16,669 --> 01:46:14,239
prior to the fall of the soviet union

2519
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,679
because of the

2520
01:46:23,030 --> 01:46:19,280
1989 1990

2521
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:23,040
1989 landing in vorones

2522
01:46:26,790 --> 01:46:25,760
you know right before the fall of the

2523
01:46:29,189 --> 01:46:26,800
berlin wall

2524
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:29,199
there was this case of uh you know a

2525
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:30,159
landing

2526
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:33,679
of a of a ufo near a park where children

2527
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:36,000
were present and there was these giants

2528
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,639
uh you know cyclops coming and one of

2529
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:39,520
those

2530
01:46:44,070 --> 01:46:42,639
like um should shot something and one of

2531
01:46:47,590 --> 01:46:44,080
the children disappeared and

2532
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:47,600
it was wild you know like what what is

2533
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:49,679
going on

2534
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:52,560
i there was there hasn't been something

2535
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:53,280
like that

2536
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:56,480
happening you know so

2537
01:47:01,189 --> 01:46:59,679
without that it's very difficult for

2538
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:01,199
people to keep

2539
01:47:08,070 --> 01:47:05,360
an active interest in the ufo

2540
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:08,080
phenomenon you know for a long periods

2541
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:09,040
of time

2542
01:47:13,350 --> 01:47:11,600
except for us we're those who are

2543
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,360
passionate about it you know

2544
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:15,440
most people move on with their lives and

2545
01:47:18,709 --> 01:47:17,440
say well you know let's just check the

2546
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:18,719
new episode of

2547
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:22,159
i don't know the mandalorian whatever so

2548
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:25,280
maybe a new ufo wave

2549
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:26,880
will happen somewhere you know maybe

2550
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:29,280
there will be some amazing

2551
01:47:33,990 --> 01:47:32,880
case happening in a few days or maybe

2552
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:34,000
tomorrow

2553
01:47:40,629 --> 01:47:37,360
nobody can say for certain or maybe

2554
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:40,639
the interest will fizzle out or it's

2555
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,920
it's hard to tell i mean not to be too

2556
01:47:48,470 --> 01:47:45,119
grim about it but

2557
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:48,480
if there is a war in ukraine starting

2558
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:49,040
this

2559
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:52,560
next week people will start to really

2560
01:47:56,870 --> 01:47:55,119
really don't care too much about ufos

2561
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,880
yeah priority shift

2562
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:59,360
that's for sure priority shift and let's

2563
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:00,719
have let's see what

2564
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:04,000
let's remember what happened last year

2565
01:48:09,910 --> 01:48:07,760
guys last year was

2566
01:48:12,070 --> 01:48:09,920
for the history books you are going to

2567
01:48:15,990 --> 01:48:12,080
if you manage to sort

2568
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:16,000
if we manage to survive knocking on wood

2569
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,040
we're going to tell our grandkids

2570
01:48:26,149 --> 01:48:22,320
what it was like to live in 2020

2571
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:26,159
when we were all had to be quarantined

2572
01:48:30,550 --> 01:48:29,119
in our houses and when we had to get out

2573
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:30,560
we had to use these

2574
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:34,080
face masks in order to try to remain

2575
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:37,440
uh from infecting each other you know

2576
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:44,709
the the way the economy is going and

2577
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:45,360
also

2578
01:48:50,470 --> 01:48:48,639
i mean climate change it's

2579
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,480
it's difficult to ascertain what will

2580
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:52,320
happen i mean

2581
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:56,159
people think oh maybe the ufos will land

2582
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:00,400
tomorrow that would be great but

2583
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:03,920
i'm not counting on that this is what

2584
01:49:07,270 --> 01:49:06,239
so people in the united states right now

2585
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:07,280
are obsessed

2586
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:10,400
with uh disclosure you know which to me

2587
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:14,159
is the more asinine and the more

2588
01:49:19,910 --> 01:49:17,440
uh you know stupid uh

2589
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:19,920
trend that has been surfaced from from

2590
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:22,719
ufology that the idea of

2591
01:49:26,310 --> 01:49:24,639
waiting for the people who have lied to

2592
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:26,320
you for decades to to

2593
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:28,239
finally tell you the truth and say yeah

2594
01:49:31,910 --> 01:49:30,000
you know what you were right all along

2595
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:31,920
i was going to ask you about that like

2596
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:33,360
especially with the there was early in

2597
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:33,840
the chat

2598
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,520
and very beginning uh somebody wrote

2599
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:37,440
something about countdown to the

2600
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,800
180 day um revelation of something that

2601
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:42,480
they signed

2602
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:45,840
but if if for some weird reason they

2603
01:49:49,270 --> 01:49:47,840
actually are serious this time which i

2604
01:49:50,790 --> 01:49:49,280
personally doubt it

2605
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:50,800
don't you think you'll kind of set a

2606
01:49:54,870 --> 01:49:52,639
different mood for the rest of the world

2607
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:54,880
once the united states if the united

2608
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:56,000
states changes their

2609
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:01,119
tomb i'm not sure

2610
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:05,679
uh i'm not sure because

2611
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:08,719
the you the united states is no longer

2612
01:50:15,990 --> 01:50:12,560
calling the shots in the world they were

2613
01:50:16,470 --> 01:50:16,000
the way they used to 20 years prior you

2614
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:16,480
know

2615
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,960
you remember jerry maguire the the

2616
01:50:21,189 --> 01:50:20,719
beginning of the movie jerry maguire the

2617
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,199
units

2618
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:23,440
the the united states still you know

2619
01:50:27,589 --> 01:50:24,880
setting the pace

2620
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:27,599
that's no longer the case man i mean

2621
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:28,400
again

2622
01:50:33,589 --> 01:50:31,119
not to be too political about it but

2623
01:50:36,149 --> 01:50:33,599
after donald trump

2624
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:36,159
the rest of the world like looked at

2625
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:37,679
each other and said

2626
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:40,960
yeah i mean we are not going to look

2627
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:45,360
for them to them for guidance you know

2628
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:47,679
like we're on our own like the united

2629
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:49,199
states left the

2630
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:52,239
the party climate change agreement

2631
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:54,239
the united states threatened to leave

2632
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:55,440
the world health

2633
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,480
organization it was kind of like

2634
01:51:01,510 --> 01:51:01,040
i mean i guess it's very cliche to say

2635
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:01,520
but it's

2636
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:04,320
it's kind of feels like the fall of rome

2637
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:05,840
and and the rest of the world is going

2638
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:06,480
to say well

2639
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:09,440
i mean we're we are not going to to look

2640
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,960
for the romans

2641
01:51:14,790 --> 01:51:13,199
to tell us what are those you know

2642
01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:14,800
shields in the sky

2643
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:22,390
if tomorrow president joe biden

2644
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:25,679
were to appear on

2645
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:27,840
you know in front of the white house and

2646
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:28,719
said

2647
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:31,040
my fellow american citizens of the world

2648
01:51:35,669 --> 01:51:32,560
you know

2649
01:51:38,470 --> 01:51:35,679
i am here to announce that we

2650
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:38,480
are have finally discovered that we're

2651
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:40,639
not alone in the universe and we

2652
01:51:47,109 --> 01:51:43,920
are in fact being visited by you know

2653
01:51:49,990 --> 01:51:47,119
intelligences coming from somewhere in

2654
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:54,070
it's kind of like uh

2655
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:57,990
well imagine imagine imagine if

2656
01:52:02,229 --> 01:52:00,560
if a representative of nasa were to have

2657
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:02,239
also a press conference telling

2658
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:05,119
telling us that they nasa has detected

2659
01:52:08,470 --> 01:52:05,440
an

2660
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:08,480
asteroid that that is going to hit

2661
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:12,159
the earth and destroyed the world

2662
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:16,560
five years from now i i guarantee you

2663
01:52:23,589 --> 01:52:20,159
after that announcement

2664
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:23,599
40 of of or 30 will

2665
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:26,480
believe that announcement and the rest

2666
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:28,080
of the world will say

2667
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:31,280
nah that's [\h__\h]

2668
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:34,960
you know that's fake news

2669
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:37,760
you know when was the last time that

2670
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:38,639
that

2671
01:52:45,430 --> 01:52:41,679
we trusted implicitly

2672
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,440
on what politicians told us you know

2673
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:48,239
when was the last time that we trusted

2674
01:52:52,709 --> 01:52:49,199
implicitly

2675
01:52:56,070 --> 01:52:52,719
in what mainstream news told us

2676
01:52:57,189 --> 01:52:56,080
that is the reason why alternative sites

2677
01:53:00,550 --> 01:52:57,199
like

2678
01:53:04,149 --> 01:53:00,560
breitbart news or alex jones info wars

2679
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:04,159
rose into popularity because there is

2680
01:53:11,350 --> 01:53:04,880
such a

2681
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:11,360
official institutions i mean the world

2682
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:12,000
is in such

2683
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:15,760
a disarray you guys we don't we don't we

2684
01:53:21,589 --> 01:53:18,560
don't believe in anything anymore i mean

2685
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,599
think about it there are people maybe

2686
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:23,440
there are not too many people

2687
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:26,239
now but there are still people in the

2688
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:27,599
united states

2689
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:33,280
who think the earth is flat

2690
01:53:36,310 --> 01:53:35,920
what do you say to that and then you

2691
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,320
think

2692
01:53:40,870 --> 01:53:39,199
that there was there will be something

2693
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:40,880
said by anyone

2694
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:44,719
that everybody will believe in

2695
01:53:50,390 --> 01:53:48,639
i don't think so unless there was some

2696
01:53:53,990 --> 01:53:50,400
kind of like

2697
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:54,000
tangible evidence right like

2698
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:56,880
yeah everybody everybody can see like in

2699
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:57,520
the movie

2700
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:59,599
science you know and not shyamalan

2701
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,960
science which

2702
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,960
actually is a really good movie if you

2703
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:04,239
know by the

2704
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:06,080
third time you see it you'll be

2705
01:54:10,149 --> 01:54:07,599
beginning to appreciate it

2706
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:10,159
but if if like in the movie science

2707
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:11,199
everybody could

2708
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:14,400
go outside and see you know like

2709
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:22,149
nobody will implicitly believe in

2710
01:54:26,390 --> 01:54:25,360
anything said by anyone you know without

2711
01:54:30,709 --> 01:54:26,400
some kind of like

2712
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,719
tangible proof that and unfortunately

2713
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:32,480
you know with regards to the recent

2714
01:54:37,350 --> 01:54:34,880
revelations

2715
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,360
there hasn't been any kind of compelling

2716
01:54:43,189 --> 01:54:39,360
evidence coming forward

2717
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:43,199
like i said those videos

2718
01:54:51,109 --> 01:54:48,080
the clear one the the go fast the gimbal

2719
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:51,119
their yeah kind of interesting but in

2720
01:54:55,750 --> 01:54:53,440
the end they're kind of crappy too

2721
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:55,760
nobody will give a damn about the tic

2722
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:56,639
tac

2723
01:55:00,870 --> 01:54:59,119
ufos if there wasn't someone like

2724
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:00,880
commander david fravor

2725
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:03,760
saying yeah i saw them they were real

2726
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:04,080
they

2727
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:07,280
were not you know

2728
01:55:13,030 --> 01:55:10,560
of human origin nobody will give a damn

2729
01:55:17,350 --> 01:55:13,040
about it

2730
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:17,360
so we're we are still

2731
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:21,040
i i also happen to to believe by the way

2732
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:24,560
that that evidence has been doctored

2733
01:55:32,470 --> 01:55:28,880
or edited in such a way as to being

2734
01:55:35,750 --> 01:55:32,480
deliberately ambiguous

2735
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:35,760
what i mean by that is that

2736
01:55:38,950 --> 01:55:38,159
they they keep telling us oh yeah and

2737
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:38,960
and

2738
01:55:42,390 --> 01:55:41,119
some people actually that video was

2739
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:42,400
actually longer

2740
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:46,320
or or someone managed to get a better

2741
01:55:50,629 --> 01:55:47,360
glimpse of

2742
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:50,639
of that object which was

2743
01:55:55,910 --> 01:55:53,760
much clearer and and left no doubt that

2744
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:55,920
it was a true ufo

2745
01:55:59,270 --> 01:55:58,719
so far none of us have seen that

2746
01:56:03,030 --> 01:55:59,280
evidence

2747
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,040
right we only seen seconds of

2748
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:06,000
something some blurry pixels that is

2749
01:56:10,229 --> 01:56:06,560
there and

2750
01:56:13,350 --> 01:56:10,239
oh now it's gone or you know things that

2751
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:13,360
moving and saying well it's rotating on

2752
01:56:16,629 --> 01:56:13,920
this road

2753
01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:16,639
and then there are skeptics like me

2754
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:17,760
quest

2755
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:20,080
who are you know i i want to give him a

2756
01:56:24,310 --> 01:56:21,840
hard time you know i mean

2757
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:24,320
he's right to say i only have these to

2758
01:56:28,149 --> 01:56:25,599
work on

2759
01:56:30,070 --> 01:56:28,159
i i haven't seen the rest of the

2760
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:30,080
evidence they supposedly have

2761
01:56:34,790 --> 01:56:33,199
kept somewhere you know that they

2762
01:56:38,229 --> 01:56:34,800
haven't provided because

2763
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:38,239
of reasons of national security so

2764
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:42,239
with that in mind i see this and i don't

2765
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:43,199
buy it

2766
01:56:49,109 --> 01:56:46,480
either

2767
01:56:50,149 --> 01:56:49,119
it's really this evidence is really

2768
01:56:53,270 --> 01:56:50,159
really

2769
01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:53,280
uh underwhelming right right and and

2770
01:56:56,470 --> 01:56:55,199
i don't know what i i i guess i'm

2771
01:56:57,510 --> 01:56:56,480
ranting by now i don't know what i'm

2772
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:57,520
going to do but but

2773
01:57:01,109 --> 01:57:00,159
i'm i feel that getting back to the

2774
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:01,119
original question

2775
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,520
where will we be i don't know maybe some

2776
01:57:09,669 --> 01:57:05,280
big revelation will come in

2777
01:57:13,430 --> 01:57:09,679
i don't think so i i rather live my life

2778
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:13,440
not expecting not expecting

2779
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:16,719
anything from people

2780
01:57:22,149 --> 01:57:20,000
uh on high positions of the government

2781
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:22,159
i don't really feel that the ufo

2782
01:57:27,189 --> 01:57:23,520
phenomenon

2783
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:27,199
moves that way i don't i don't believe

2784
01:57:33,589 --> 01:57:31,440
in revelations or disclosures

2785
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,599
that happens from the top down like

2786
01:57:39,589 --> 01:57:36,000
trickle-down economics you know

2787
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:39,599
that never works i believe in a kind of

2788
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:41,040
like

2789
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:45,119
grass roots contact

2790
01:57:52,870 --> 01:57:49,040
with this non-human intelligence

2791
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:52,880
that instead of talking to

2792
01:57:59,750 --> 01:57:56,639
prince philip you know the the late

2793
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:59,760
uh uh husband of queen eliza instead of

2794
01:58:02,790 --> 01:58:00,800
talking to

2795
01:58:05,830 --> 01:58:02,800
uh neil degrasse tyson or stephen

2796
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:05,840
hawkings they prefer to talk to

2797
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:08,560
make contact with chicken farmers

2798
01:58:13,350 --> 01:58:09,840
housewives

2799
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:13,360
people living in trailer parks and they

2800
01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:16,880
interact with with those people in order

2801
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:17,920
to have

2802
01:58:23,350 --> 01:58:20,960
some kind of influence on our society

2803
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:23,360
from the bottom up and that kind of

2804
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:24,000
influence

2805
01:58:30,390 --> 01:58:27,199
yes it takes a long time

2806
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:30,400
to make a shift in our culture

2807
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:33,440
right but guess what i think those guys

2808
01:58:36,709 --> 01:58:34,560
have all

2809
01:58:38,870 --> 01:58:36,719
the time in the world well miguel i

2810
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:38,880
certainly i certainly appreciate your

2811
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:40,080
you know your opinion and your

2812
01:58:41,990 --> 01:58:41,599
perspective and your point of view you

2813
01:58:43,830 --> 01:58:42,000
know

2814
01:58:45,109 --> 01:58:43,840
um just something about what you were

2815
01:58:48,470 --> 01:58:45,119
saying earlier

2816
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:48,480
you know i was gone for about excuse me

2817
01:58:52,709 --> 01:58:49,520
for about two years

2818
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:52,719
all together because for one um

2819
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:54,800
you know where we were living is a very

2820
01:58:59,189 --> 01:58:56,000
small space and

2821
01:59:00,790 --> 01:58:59,199
our family is expanding so and

2822
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:00,800
what i was trying to do just wasn't

2823
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,719
going and then just intuitively kind of

2824
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:04,400
like okay we need more space

2825
01:59:07,750 --> 01:59:05,679
well there's always you know the

2826
01:59:08,390 --> 01:59:07,760
monetary issues and all that but i never

2827
01:59:10,070 --> 01:59:08,400
let that

2828
01:59:12,310 --> 01:59:10,080
really like get get to my head it was

2829
01:59:13,430 --> 01:59:12,320
like well i just built what i need you

2830
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:13,440
know and so

2831
01:59:16,470 --> 01:59:14,880
there was this talk and i'm like all

2832
01:59:17,510 --> 01:59:16,480
right i want to build this studio i'm

2833
01:59:18,870 --> 01:59:17,520
sitting in right now

2834
01:59:21,109 --> 01:59:18,880
and it took me about a year and a half

2835
01:59:22,709 --> 01:59:21,119
because uh with some health with my

2836
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:22,719
father-in-law and whatnot you know we

2837
01:59:26,629 --> 01:59:24,320
were able to um

2838
01:59:29,189 --> 01:59:26,639
you know he helped me with he built

2839
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:29,199
houses for like 30-plus years so he

2840
01:59:33,589 --> 01:59:31,520
i was whatever i was doing he could kind

2841
01:59:35,270 --> 01:59:33,599
of confirm about yes go ahead do it like

2842
01:59:37,350 --> 01:59:35,280
that and yes the foundation will be

2843
01:59:39,030 --> 01:59:37,360
great if you do this and that and so on

2844
01:59:40,629 --> 01:59:39,040
anyway what i'm trying to say is my

2845
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:40,639
mindset was in a totally different

2846
01:59:44,550 --> 01:59:42,400
environment i was basically kind of

2847
01:59:45,510 --> 01:59:44,560
building the next thing which turned out

2848
01:59:47,430 --> 01:59:45,520
to be this

2849
01:59:49,589 --> 01:59:47,440
you know and it took a while but i was

2850
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:49,599
focused on that when i came back

2851
01:59:53,589 --> 01:59:51,840
it was very polarized you know very

2852
01:59:54,149 --> 01:59:53,599
polarized because i felt like i was kind

2853
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:54,159
of

2854
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:56,400
like no pun intended dropped on a

2855
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:58,320
foreign planet and i just there was all

2856
02:00:03,430 --> 02:00:00,400
these things going on to where

2857
02:00:05,589 --> 02:00:03,440
um people were talking about things

2858
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:05,599
that i just didn't agree with but i

2859
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:07,440
didn't understand where it came from you

2860
02:00:10,149 --> 02:00:07,920
know

2861
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:10,159
and this could go both ways i'm kind of

2862
02:00:13,669 --> 02:00:11,119
i'm being

2863
02:00:14,149 --> 02:00:13,679
uh center based and elusive on purpose

2864
02:00:16,709 --> 02:00:14,159
and so

2865
02:00:17,830 --> 02:00:16,719
i had to kind of make a decision like

2866
02:00:20,470 --> 02:00:17,840
okay i've now

2867
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:20,480
lost half my friends right because well

2868
02:00:25,270 --> 02:00:22,960
they strong-willed i'm strong-willed so

2869
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:25,280
this is how it's going to be but i saw

2870
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:26,000
it also go

2871
02:00:30,070 --> 02:00:28,560
into literally like into knitting groups

2872
02:00:31,430 --> 02:00:30,080
you know they would like separate

2873
02:00:34,229 --> 02:00:31,440
themselves between this

2874
02:00:35,270 --> 02:00:34,239
you know left right issue and i saw that

2875
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:35,280
unfortunate

2876
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:37,280
split happening and i was like how are

2877
02:00:41,510 --> 02:00:39,040
we ever going to get together figured

2878
02:00:43,109 --> 02:00:41,520
out anything if we can't agree on

2879
02:00:45,910 --> 02:00:43,119
something so i just made it a

2880
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,920
i certainly always always want everyone

2881
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:47,280
and any of my guests to

2882
02:00:50,709 --> 02:00:48,719
just say whatever is on their mind

2883
02:00:52,149 --> 02:00:50,719
because that's what i want for them to

2884
02:00:54,149 --> 02:00:52,159
truly speak on it

2885
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:54,159
just when it came to me personally i

2886
02:00:57,830 --> 02:00:55,679
just wanted to

2887
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:57,840
for that platform to be that open you

2888
02:01:01,510 --> 02:00:59,520
know it doesn't matter whether it's

2889
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:01,520
whatever the issue is that's on the on

2890
02:01:06,310 --> 02:01:03,360
the guest chest for them to

2891
02:01:06,629 --> 02:01:06,320
to say it because i didn't want to have

2892
02:01:09,270 --> 02:01:06,639
then

2893
02:01:09,750 --> 02:01:09,280
another platform that divides again you

2894
02:01:13,990 --> 02:01:09,760
know

2895
02:01:17,189 --> 02:01:14,000
like the knitting groups and

2896
02:01:18,709 --> 02:01:17,199
all the like facebook was split um

2897
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:18,719
you know even i called up some of my

2898
02:01:22,870 --> 02:01:20,800
friends to san luis or ufo meetings and

2899
02:01:25,270 --> 02:01:22,880
like half the group stopped showing up

2900
02:01:27,109 --> 02:01:25,280
because they were on on a different

2901
02:01:28,709 --> 02:01:27,119
aisle whatever that is doesn't matter

2902
02:01:30,790 --> 02:01:28,719
the point here is that

2903
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:30,800
this you know talking about this huge

2904
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:32,400
shift that was literally affecting

2905
02:01:35,589 --> 02:01:33,840
everyone in the united states i don't

2906
02:01:38,550 --> 02:01:35,599
think the outside world

2907
02:01:39,990 --> 02:01:38,560
truly understands what that means like

2908
02:01:41,430 --> 02:01:40,000
it's i almost feel like it's like a

2909
02:01:44,470 --> 02:01:41,440
birth of something new

2910
02:01:45,430 --> 02:01:44,480
i know even i i even feel like the news

2911
02:01:47,910 --> 02:01:45,440
is not even

2912
02:01:49,270 --> 02:01:47,920
covering it properly of the sentiment of

2913
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:49,280
the actual

2914
02:01:54,149 --> 02:01:52,000
day-to-day people you know about how

2915
02:01:54,629 --> 02:01:54,159
polarized it is in the united states you

2916
02:01:59,669 --> 02:01:54,639
know

2917
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:59,679
questioning point of view like how we're

2918
02:02:02,790 --> 02:02:01,040
gonna move on you know

2919
02:02:04,390 --> 02:02:02,800
and so i just kept thinking well you

2920
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:04,400
know what i'm just going to have guests

2921
02:02:07,189 --> 02:02:04,800
on

2922
02:02:08,550 --> 02:02:07,199
you know and talk about you know tell me

2923
02:02:09,990 --> 02:02:08,560
more about your force share the

2924
02:02:10,709 --> 02:02:10,000
experience because by sharing an

2925
02:02:12,950 --> 02:02:10,719
experience

2926
02:02:14,070 --> 02:02:12,960
that connects us with that humanity and

2927
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:14,080
so um

2928
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:15,920
you know that somebody can relate

2929
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:17,280
whether it's a struggle whether it's

2930
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:19,040
something happy or whatever

2931
02:02:22,149 --> 02:02:20,719
but the second you get into that

2932
02:02:24,870 --> 02:02:22,159
headspace and

2933
02:02:25,189 --> 02:02:24,880
you know kind of help divide in a way

2934
02:02:27,030 --> 02:02:25,199
you know

2935
02:02:28,950 --> 02:02:27,040
not you i'm talking about in general you

2936
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:28,960
know i should help divide

2937
02:02:32,310 --> 02:02:31,760
now of the sudden you know you you get

2938
02:02:34,229 --> 02:02:32,320
this

2939
02:02:35,910 --> 02:02:34,239
you know you can't come together to work

2940
02:02:38,470 --> 02:02:35,920
on something you know

2941
02:02:39,350 --> 02:02:38,480
because um i even had some people in my

2942
02:02:41,030 --> 02:02:39,360
life where i said

2943
02:02:43,270 --> 02:02:41,040
look we're i know we're not going to

2944
02:02:43,510 --> 02:02:43,280
agree but what does that have to do with

2945
02:02:45,669 --> 02:02:43,520
us

2946
02:02:47,830 --> 02:02:45,679
like right here right now where we are

2947
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,840
we're kind of in our own little heaven

2948
02:02:52,470 --> 02:02:50,400
and now we used outside forces and

2949
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:52,480
outside information to now split

2950
02:02:57,109 --> 02:02:55,679
us apart and so like if we do this

2951
02:02:59,109 --> 02:02:57,119
it'll be silly it's kind of like being

2952
02:03:00,950 --> 02:02:59,119
on an island where i have my side you

2953
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,960
have your side and don't talk to me but

2954
02:03:04,070 --> 02:03:02,719
i'll survive on my own you survive on

2955
02:03:06,870 --> 02:03:04,080
your own you know

2956
02:03:08,229 --> 02:03:06,880
and that was kind of the the the the

2957
02:03:10,709 --> 02:03:08,239
bridge i was trying to gap

2958
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:10,719
because i was like if we keep going down

2959
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:11,360
this route

2960
02:03:15,189 --> 02:03:13,360
we're not going to be speaking with each

2961
02:03:16,629 --> 02:03:15,199
other i'm like do we need this here

2962
02:03:18,229 --> 02:03:16,639
i mean we're literally the only

2963
02:03:21,270 --> 02:03:18,239
neighbors together

2964
02:03:22,070 --> 02:03:21,280
you know and and and we're like so far

2965
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:22,080
away from the

2966
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:24,480
civilization but we're gonna you know i

2967
02:03:28,310 --> 02:03:26,639
said when we come together and enjoy

2968
02:03:29,910 --> 02:03:28,320
things that we do it's like i like

2969
02:03:31,510 --> 02:03:29,920
hanging out you like hanging out let's

2970
02:03:33,270 --> 02:03:31,520
do it do you like to watch movies i love

2971
02:03:33,990 --> 02:03:33,280
to watch movies let's hang out you know

2972
02:03:36,229 --> 02:03:34,000
and just find

2973
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:36,239
these things again to remember that we

2974
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:37,440
were friends once

2975
02:03:40,950 --> 02:03:39,840
you know we were we were family members

2976
02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:40,960
once you know we were

2977
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:43,440
together in close with each other once

2978
02:03:47,189 --> 02:03:44,639
you know i kind of

2979
02:03:47,830 --> 02:03:47,199
getting back into that because it is

2980
02:03:50,069 --> 02:03:47,840
kind of

2981
02:03:51,750 --> 02:03:50,079
you know very uncertain especially we're

2982
02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:51,760
about to in about a month and a half

2983
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:54,239
about to have another child and

2984
02:03:58,709 --> 02:03:56,400
you know it's like thank you but it's

2985
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:58,719
kind of as a father you know it's

2986
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,480
especially having had the experience of

2987
02:04:02,950 --> 02:04:02,560
a war breaking out in bosnia you know

2988
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:02,960
and then

2989
02:04:06,310 --> 02:04:05,920
fleeing when i was a child i don't wish

2990
02:04:08,310 --> 02:04:06,320
that

2991
02:04:10,069 --> 02:04:08,320
you know for for my children to have

2992
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:10,079
that experience so it's like

2993
02:04:14,790 --> 02:04:13,040
it's apparent if i can say something

2994
02:04:18,310 --> 02:04:14,800
that might help bridge a gap

2995
02:04:19,589 --> 02:04:18,320
to prevent it because you know it's it's

2996
02:04:21,270 --> 02:04:19,599
fine to be mad

2997
02:04:22,950 --> 02:04:21,280
you know but and you might even have

2998
02:04:23,669 --> 02:04:22,960
really bad thoughts towards some other

2999
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:23,679
people

3000
02:04:28,470 --> 02:04:26,000
but those thoughts will not get you

3001
02:04:30,790 --> 02:04:28,480
anywhere because eventually once you cut

3002
02:04:33,030 --> 02:04:30,800
something you know in your head that now

3003
02:04:35,830 --> 02:04:33,040
this person is your enemy and you cannot

3004
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:35,840
go back to that it destroys everything

3005
02:04:40,470 --> 02:04:36,239
like

3006
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:40,480
braveheart movie where he says

3007
02:04:45,189 --> 02:04:43,520
uh war is what he says war is something

3008
02:04:45,990 --> 02:04:45,199
our children will learn of you know will

3009
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:46,000
be fought

3010
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:47,760
you know on the streets they will see it

3011
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:49,040
with their own eyes

3012
02:04:52,550 --> 02:04:51,280
and it's something that i unfortunately

3013
02:04:56,069 --> 02:04:52,560
saw you know and

3014
02:04:56,629 --> 02:04:56,079
i just wish that i always loved to have

3015
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,639
people

3016
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:58,400
to have experiences right because then

3017
02:05:01,589 --> 02:04:59,920
you grow from them but this is something

3018
02:05:05,189 --> 02:05:01,599
i don't wish on my children

3019
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:09,589
sorry to to to please i mean but

3020
02:05:14,790 --> 02:05:12,719
i mean uh i really appreciate that

3021
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:14,800
perspective you know from someone who

3022
02:05:21,189 --> 02:05:18,000
who had that experience from from

3023
02:05:24,870 --> 02:05:21,199
fleeing from a song a a

3024
02:05:25,510 --> 02:05:24,880
zone of deep conflict and in mexico we

3025
02:05:29,589 --> 02:05:25,520
haven't

3026
02:05:32,950 --> 02:05:29,599
experienced uh that kind of a

3027
02:05:36,310 --> 02:05:32,960
social instability yet i mean

3028
02:05:39,589 --> 02:05:36,320
i'm sure that people listen to

3029
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:39,599
horror stories that are true

3030
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:42,800
happen in mexico that uh i mean

3031
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:45,360
but they are not like concentrated in a

3032
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:46,000
singular

3033
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:49,760
area it's like

3034
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,040
all around but what i wanted to say

3035
02:05:59,430 --> 02:05:56,239
is that in my experience at nan

3036
02:06:04,470 --> 02:05:59,440
there are events that

3037
02:06:07,510 --> 02:06:04,480
can very rapidly and very easily

3038
02:06:10,950 --> 02:06:07,520
shatter the very

3039
02:06:13,910 --> 02:06:10,960
petty differences that

3040
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:13,920
uh you know distance people and separate

3041
02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:14,960
them and try to

3042
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:18,159
go into camp a and camp a b

3043
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:21,520
and between us and them red and blue

3044
02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:25,119
you know yellow and whatever uh

3045
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:29,599
like for example uh in 2017

3046
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:33,199
you know in in in september

3047
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:36,800
19 we had a major earthquake here in

3048
02:06:41,109 --> 02:06:38,880
mexico and then

3049
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:41,119
i don't know if you've ever lived in a

3050
02:06:45,750 --> 02:06:42,800
in a area of

3051
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:45,760
active uh seismic activity san luis says

3052
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:49,199
it's not heavy but they happen so often

3053
02:06:56,629 --> 02:06:52,800
exactly but here in mexico uh i

3054
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:56,639
where i live you don't feel

3055
02:07:05,030 --> 02:07:00,320
quakes of that intensity so uh so

3056
02:07:08,550 --> 02:07:05,040
regularly but man when that happened

3057
02:07:11,109 --> 02:07:08,560
when when you get into one of those it's

3058
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:11,119
an and i've experienced them twice in my

3059
02:07:14,470 --> 02:07:12,400
life

3060
02:07:16,990 --> 02:07:14,480
interestingly enough on the same date

3061
02:07:19,830 --> 02:07:17,000
september

3062
02:07:23,189 --> 02:07:19,840
1919 but

3063
02:07:26,229 --> 02:07:23,199
two different years 1985 when i was

3064
02:07:29,830 --> 02:07:26,239
13 to 2017

3065
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:29,840
when i was i don't know 40 something

3066
02:07:33,189 --> 02:07:32,639
and what happens in the aftermath when

3067
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:33,199
people

3068
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:36,719
see the devastation

3069
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:40,159
uh and you see obviously everybody's

3070
02:07:45,109 --> 02:07:41,520
afraid everybody

3071
02:07:48,069 --> 02:07:45,119
everybody experienced it it's different

3072
02:07:49,510 --> 02:07:48,079
than a pandemic because in a pandemic

3073
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:49,520
you hear

3074
02:07:55,510 --> 02:07:52,560
oh yeah so-and-so got the virus

3075
02:07:56,069 --> 02:07:55,520
and or their mother died or you know

3076
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:56,079
they got

3077
02:08:00,470 --> 02:07:58,320
sick but it hasn't happened to you with

3078
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:00,480
that with an earthquake

3079
02:08:05,910 --> 02:08:03,760
it happens to everybody obviously on

3080
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:05,920
different intensity but it happens to

3081
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:06,960
everybody

3082
02:08:10,709 --> 02:08:09,840
and and when you see what you see

3083
02:08:15,830 --> 02:08:10,719
afterwards

3084
02:08:18,870 --> 02:08:15,840
is this move towards

3085
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:18,880
a need to do something to go and help

3086
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:19,599
out

3087
02:08:26,069 --> 02:08:22,960
you know and and and is

3088
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:26,079
is beautiful the uh seeing

3089
02:08:31,510 --> 02:08:29,119
strangers coming to you know collection

3090
02:08:34,550 --> 02:08:31,520
centers because they need to collect

3091
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:34,560
water and they need to collect uh food

3092
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:36,639
supplies medicines

3093
02:08:43,109 --> 02:08:39,679
band-aids whatever and they go and go to

3094
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:43,119
place to deliver them and people

3095
02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:46,400
gather them very spontaneously and say

3096
02:08:51,109 --> 02:08:49,119
hey what can i do i'm here what do you

3097
02:08:53,589 --> 02:08:51,119
need and

3098
02:08:55,270 --> 02:08:53,599
who needs help you know okay oh you need

3099
02:08:58,950 --> 02:08:55,280
me to go and move that okay

3100
02:09:02,470 --> 02:08:58,960
go and there they and and you leave that

3101
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:02,480
you you live through that and that is uh

3102
02:09:07,350 --> 02:09:05,840
that is quite uplifting so that is one

3103
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:07,360
of the things that give me hope

3104
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:10,159
that i mean it's kind of like a downer

3105
02:09:14,069 --> 02:09:11,760
the idea that we need

3106
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:14,079
things like natural disasters

3107
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:15,280
earthquakes or

3108
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:19,119
floods for in order to bring the best

3109
02:09:25,990 --> 02:09:22,159
out of people but

3110
02:09:28,229 --> 02:09:26,000
that is the human nature right so i mean

3111
02:09:30,069 --> 02:09:28,239
so there's that you know i mean and

3112
02:09:32,310 --> 02:09:30,079
unfortunately it seems that

3113
02:09:33,589 --> 02:09:32,320
that's where we are headed because of

3114
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:33,599
climate change

3115
02:09:37,750 --> 02:09:35,920
you know and i guess some people go and

3116
02:09:41,189 --> 02:09:37,760
see the ufo phenomenon

3117
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:41,199
and say oh the aliens are going to help

3118
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:41,599
us

3119
02:09:50,069 --> 02:09:46,400
to you know the next dimension the next

3120
02:09:53,189 --> 02:09:50,079
uh level of vibration whatever

3121
02:09:55,830 --> 02:09:53,199
no i mean you better think that

3122
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:55,840
no one is going to help us we are going

3123
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:57,599
to have to help ourselves

3124
02:10:01,270 --> 02:10:00,480
and maybe after we learn to help

3125
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:01,280
ourselves

3126
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:04,880
after we learn to you know

3127
02:10:10,470 --> 02:10:08,239
see past petty you know

3128
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:10,480
differences oh i believe in these do you

3129
02:10:13,910 --> 02:10:11,520
believe in that

3130
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:13,920
i pray to this god you pray to the other

3131
02:10:18,709 --> 02:10:14,560
one

3132
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:18,719
i i i identify with this gender

3133
02:10:22,870 --> 02:10:21,440
which you don't believe in or i voted

3134
02:10:25,910 --> 02:10:22,880
for the other guy

3135
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:25,920
after we set those

3136
02:10:32,069 --> 02:10:29,280
ideas aside and say you know what

3137
02:10:33,189 --> 02:10:32,079
these lines that our great great great

3138
02:10:36,709 --> 02:10:33,199
grandparents

3139
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:36,719
drew on a map they are [\h__\h]

3140
02:10:40,149 --> 02:10:39,199
and we probably should erase them and

3141
02:10:43,030 --> 02:10:40,159
after we said

3142
02:10:44,229 --> 02:10:43,040
we are one people and this is the only

3143
02:10:47,669 --> 02:10:44,239
planet

3144
02:10:50,870 --> 02:10:47,679
that we have elon musk's

3145
02:10:52,950 --> 02:10:50,880
says whatever he wants this is the only

3146
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:52,960
one the only plant we know of

3147
02:10:59,830 --> 02:10:56,400
in which the human race can live

3148
02:11:03,350 --> 02:10:59,840
maybe after that you know the guys

3149
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:03,360
from the other side will say ah finally

3150
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:06,320
you monkey's got got it now we can

3151
02:11:10,310 --> 02:11:06,960
finally

3152
02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:10,320
you know get to have a one one to one

3153
02:11:15,270 --> 02:11:11,840
relation with you guys

3154
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:15,280
finally the conversation can begin right

3155
02:11:20,310 --> 02:11:18,480
you know okay that is my hope well so um

3156
02:11:21,910 --> 02:11:20,320
i basically just want to finish with

3157
02:11:24,229 --> 02:11:21,920
with this one and uh

3158
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:24,239
there's plenty of people chatting and i

3159
02:11:28,229 --> 02:11:25,520
appreciate everyone but

3160
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:28,239
it seems like that fabricion and hazel

3161
02:11:30,390 --> 02:11:28,800
have

3162
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:30,400
you know questions i'm very engaged in

3163
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:31,840
it so thank you both

3164
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:34,320
uh but uh just basically want to finish

3165
02:11:38,310 --> 02:11:35,920
up with the question from

3166
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:38,320
um uh fabrice saying something about

3167
02:11:41,510 --> 02:11:39,679
mayans and ufos

3168
02:11:42,950 --> 02:11:41,520
maybe if you can maybe talk about that

3169
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:42,960
and then we can uh

3170
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:45,119
finish finish up finish up the show with

3171
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:47,280
that if that's okay with you

3172
02:11:52,470 --> 02:11:50,400
sure okay thank you and and this has

3173
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:52,480
been a blast you know i've

3174
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:56,079
have a great time me too i'm glad you do

3175
02:11:59,669 --> 02:11:57,520
as well

3176
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:59,679
thank you and getting back to the the

3177
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:01,520
the the question

3178
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:05,040
mayans and the ufos well surely

3179
02:12:13,030 --> 02:12:09,520
we've all seen at one point of our lives

3180
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:13,040
uh you know something related to

3181
02:12:16,709 --> 02:12:16,000
eric von daniken and ancient aliens and

3182
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:16,719
this

3183
02:12:25,669 --> 02:12:23,360
which she seems to be riding some kind

3184
02:12:28,149 --> 02:12:25,679
of like rockets

3185
02:12:29,589 --> 02:12:28,159
right right and that's that's been in

3186
02:12:32,830 --> 02:12:29,599
the cover of

3187
02:12:35,830 --> 02:12:32,840
who knows how many books

3188
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:35,840
from how many languages

3189
02:12:40,229 --> 02:12:38,400
talking about how yeah you know the

3190
02:12:43,270 --> 02:12:40,239
mayans had contact with

3191
02:12:45,669 --> 02:12:43,280
ancient aliens uh

3192
02:12:47,030 --> 02:12:45,679
and i used to believe that too uh

3193
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:47,040
obviously then

3194
02:12:50,470 --> 02:12:49,599
you grow older you learn more and say

3195
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:50,480
well no

3196
02:12:58,310 --> 02:12:54,159
actually that is a very

3197
02:13:02,069 --> 02:12:58,320
symbolic depiction of a guy who actually

3198
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:02,079
you know we have his remains we know his

3199
02:13:06,950 --> 02:13:02,480
name

3200
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:06,960
ruler

3201
02:13:11,350 --> 02:13:10,079
of the maya city of palenque where you

3202
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:11,360
have to remember guys

3203
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:14,400
uh when people talk about the

3204
02:13:20,870 --> 02:13:17,760
mayan empire is more

3205
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:20,880
akin to the greek empire

3206
02:13:24,470 --> 02:13:23,920
than you know the romans in the sense

3207
02:13:27,589 --> 02:13:24,480
that

3208
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:27,599
the mayans divided the sames into

3209
02:13:33,589 --> 02:13:30,960
city states right so there was palenque

3210
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:33,599
and there was ushmal and there was patan

3211
02:13:38,069 --> 02:13:36,800
and all these uh great cities that were

3212
02:13:41,189 --> 02:13:38,079
ruled by a different

3213
02:13:44,069 --> 02:13:41,199
uh how or or ruler that was

3214
02:13:44,709 --> 02:13:44,079
how they call themselves how so there's

3215
02:13:47,830 --> 02:13:44,719
this guy

3216
02:13:48,149 --> 02:13:47,840
you know who ruled that that place and

3217
02:13:51,510 --> 02:13:48,159
then

3218
02:13:54,790 --> 02:13:51,520
he got uh buried in that in that

3219
02:13:58,470 --> 02:13:54,800
tone and that representation

3220
02:14:01,990 --> 02:13:58,480
is him depicted as

3221
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:02,000
the corn the corn dog sorry

3222
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:05,760
the corn god the corn god

3223
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:08,320
or or or like it's the typical

3224
02:14:13,750 --> 02:14:11,199
representation of the fertility god

3225
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:13,760
rising from the underworld you know just

3226
02:14:17,589 --> 02:14:14,320
like

3227
02:14:18,470 --> 02:14:17,599
jesus christ you know all these uh these

3228
02:14:21,830 --> 02:14:18,480
rights

3229
02:14:24,870 --> 02:14:21,840
or these myths about fertility and

3230
02:14:26,390 --> 02:14:24,880
spring and the bringing of the crops so

3231
02:14:29,589 --> 02:14:26,400
this is the the corn

3232
02:14:33,669 --> 02:14:29,599
god rising from the

3233
02:14:36,950 --> 02:14:33,679
the underworld to the upper world

3234
02:14:39,990 --> 02:14:36,960
climbing the tree of life that that

3235
02:14:43,669 --> 02:14:40,000
weird kind of like rocket that we see

3236
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:43,679
there it's only our modern

3237
02:14:50,550 --> 02:14:47,280
21st century perception because

3238
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:50,560
all of us have has watched

3239
02:14:56,629 --> 02:14:53,599
uh return of the jedi and we saw

3240
02:14:58,870 --> 02:14:56,639
luke skywalker and leia riding

3241
02:14:59,669 --> 02:14:58,880
through those uh you know speed bikes

3242
02:15:01,669 --> 02:14:59,679
through the

3243
02:15:02,709 --> 02:15:01,679
forest of endor and that's where we see

3244
02:15:04,709 --> 02:15:02,719
oh well yeah

3245
02:15:05,910 --> 02:15:04,719
yeah that's a speed bike well no that's

3246
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:05,920
our our

3247
02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:09,199
our modern interpretation of that the

3248
02:15:13,109 --> 02:15:10,400
same way that

3249
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:13,119
we keep interpreting things about the

3250
02:15:17,910 --> 02:15:14,880
ancient world

3251
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:17,920
using our modern sensibilities now does

3252
02:15:22,229 --> 02:15:19,119
that mean

3253
02:15:25,350 --> 02:15:22,239
that the mayas had no

3254
02:15:29,109 --> 02:15:25,360
contact with what we will call aliens no

3255
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:29,119
that's not what i'm saying i mean

3256
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:32,239
surely like other ancient civilizations

3257
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:32,800
they had

3258
02:15:39,669 --> 02:15:36,880
myths about uh

3259
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:39,679
non-human intelligences and i'm very

3260
02:15:44,709 --> 02:15:41,679
particularly interested

3261
02:15:48,310 --> 02:15:44,719
in their their legends about

3262
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:48,320
what some people call the aluche

3263
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:51,599
or alu shop which are kind of like

3264
02:15:58,790 --> 02:15:55,119
the irish fairy folk these are like uh

3265
02:15:59,669 --> 02:15:58,800
little people right that sometimes are

3266
02:16:02,870 --> 02:15:59,679
depicted

3267
02:16:04,149 --> 02:16:02,880
in their artwork you know their stone

3268
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:04,159
work or the or their

3269
02:16:08,229 --> 02:16:07,119
their codexes and there are very

3270
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:08,239
interesting legends

3271
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:12,159
about these uh let's call them mayan

3272
02:16:15,510 --> 02:16:13,199
fairy folk

3273
02:16:16,390 --> 02:16:15,520
you know interacting with with with

3274
02:16:19,030 --> 02:16:16,400
mayas

3275
02:16:20,470 --> 02:16:19,040
like for example uh there's a story of

3276
02:16:24,550 --> 02:16:20,480
uh uh

3277
02:16:27,669 --> 02:16:24,560
uh one of those little guys

3278
02:16:30,790 --> 02:16:27,679
that was tasked with

3279
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:30,800
building a pyramid

3280
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:33,280
you know in order to get married with a

3281
02:16:36,549 --> 02:16:34,559
princess something like that

3282
02:16:38,469 --> 02:16:36,559
it's almost like a like a miso american

3283
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:38,479
fairy tale and

3284
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:41,280
this guy managed to build it according

3285
02:16:45,750 --> 02:16:43,200
to the legend in a single day

3286
02:16:47,110 --> 02:16:45,760
and you hear that and it's not that you

3287
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:47,120
have to believe it but it

3288
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:51,120
sounds so similar to stories coming from

3289
02:16:56,309 --> 02:16:52,240
other

3290
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:56,319
you said the celtic law

3291
02:17:00,230 --> 02:16:59,439
or for example the the lore of the of

3292
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:00,240
the

3293
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,080
by angels

3294
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:10,960
right were built by the angels using you

3295
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:13,519
know the knowledge of uh

3296
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:16,479
ran you know the the architect that was

3297
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:17,599
supposed to be

3298
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:19,519
the founder of the masonic lodge or

3299
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:20,880
whatever

3300
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:31,509
it's important to try not to

3301
02:17:39,349 --> 02:17:35,359
uh distort

3302
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:39,359
the legacy of these cultures

3303
02:17:47,349 --> 02:17:43,200
you know i mean if whatever you saw

3304
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:47,359
in in the ancient aliens you know that

3305
02:17:53,270 --> 02:17:50,399
tv series take that with a

3306
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:53,280
mountain of salt amount everest of salt

3307
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:55,120
you know

3308
02:18:01,990 --> 02:17:58,479
nevertheless yeah sure these people

3309
02:18:05,110 --> 02:18:02,000
they they had knowledge

3310
02:18:06,790 --> 02:18:05,120
that was very advanced you know for

3311
02:18:09,990 --> 02:18:06,800
their time

3312
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:10,000
especially mathematical knowledge uh

3313
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:12,800
and yeah surely like us they probably

3314
02:18:17,190 --> 02:18:14,160
had contact with

3315
02:18:20,309 --> 02:18:17,200
non-human intelligence especially i feel

3316
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:20,319
uh by the use of and and

3317
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:23,040
theogenic methods you know using drugs

3318
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:24,479
user outer state

3319
02:18:28,709 --> 02:18:27,040
states of consciousness to me that is a

3320
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:28,719
far more interesting

3321
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:31,200
uh way of contacting non-human

3322
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:32,479
intelligences

3323
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:36,880
than the b movie kind of like sci-fi

3324
02:18:40,950 --> 02:18:39,679
need of the alien having to land in a

3325
02:18:44,150 --> 02:18:40,960
rocket and you need to

3326
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:44,160
make the landing strip so the rocket can

3327
02:18:49,910 --> 02:18:44,639
land

3328
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,469
surely there were probably you know if

3329
02:18:55,750 --> 02:18:54,479
if you are truly advanced you you you

3330
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:55,760
don't really need to

3331
02:19:00,389 --> 02:18:59,200
copy our very rudimentary methods of

3332
02:19:01,910 --> 02:19:00,399
transport right you know

3333
02:19:03,589 --> 02:19:01,920
you don't need a space shuttle if you're

3334
02:19:06,230 --> 02:19:03,599
really really an advanced

3335
02:19:06,790 --> 02:19:06,240
civilization right so i don't know i

3336
02:19:08,950 --> 02:19:06,800
mean

3337
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:08,960
yeah there are a lot of interesting

3338
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:10,800
stories coming from

3339
02:19:17,589 --> 02:19:14,000
the mayas coming from uh

3340
02:19:21,110 --> 02:19:17,599
the aztecs if you ever get a chance

3341
02:19:23,910 --> 02:19:21,120
uh to visit mexico i highly highly

3342
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:23,920
recommend visiting teotihuacan

3343
02:19:30,230 --> 02:19:27,120
you know the city where men became gods

3344
02:19:33,349 --> 02:19:30,240
which is truly truly fantastic

3345
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:33,359
you know it's uh apparently

3346
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:37,280
or is still regarded as the most

3347
02:19:43,429 --> 02:19:40,319
ancient city in the americas and

3348
02:19:45,910 --> 02:19:43,439
and and you get to see or you

3349
02:19:47,270 --> 02:19:45,920
climb the pyramid of the sun the pyramid

3350
02:19:50,070 --> 02:19:47,280
of the moon

3351
02:19:50,870 --> 02:19:50,080
and and you feel well yeah these guys

3352
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:50,880
have

3353
02:19:53,990 --> 02:19:53,520
really really impressive knowledge was

3354
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:54,000
that

3355
02:20:01,990 --> 02:19:58,240
knowledge imparted by alien beings

3356
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:02,000
maybe or maybe it was imparted by by by

3357
02:20:05,590 --> 02:20:04,160
an even older civilization or maybe

3358
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:05,600
these guys managed to

3359
02:20:10,070 --> 02:20:08,000
to get into some some kind of like uh

3360
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:10,080
ultra state of consciousness that

3361
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:12,399
provided all the answers for them you

3362
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:13,840
know so they could build

3363
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:17,760
those those great temples

3364
02:20:21,349 --> 02:20:19,520
these guys weren't perfect though of

3365
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:21,359
course you know if you

3366
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:24,800
learn about the wakan one of the things

3367
02:20:29,190 --> 02:20:25,680
that they are called

3368
02:20:32,710 --> 02:20:29,200
archaeologists tell you is that

3369
02:20:34,309 --> 02:20:32,720
that city as great as it was eventually

3370
02:20:35,030 --> 02:20:34,319
was abandoned because there was some

3371
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:35,040
kind of like

3372
02:20:38,630 --> 02:20:38,240
uh social unrest or some some kind of

3373
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:38,640
like

3374
02:20:43,429 --> 02:20:41,760
upheaval you know some kind of revolt of

3375
02:20:45,429 --> 02:20:43,439
the lower classes

3376
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:45,439
that kind of like destroy the city there

3377
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:47,359
was some kind of big fire

3378
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:50,960
and nobody knows what happened but

3379
02:20:54,309 --> 02:20:52,880
obviously the city eventually ended up

3380
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:54,319
being abandoned

3381
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:57,359
right and that i feel is a great

3382
02:21:01,270 --> 02:20:58,080
metaphor

3383
02:21:04,630 --> 02:21:01,280
you know for our cities you know every

3384
02:21:08,550 --> 02:21:04,640
the the best way to start or to go with

3385
02:21:12,710 --> 02:21:08,560
uh some kind of like uh sci-fi dystopic

3386
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:12,720
uh hollywood movie is to show uh

3387
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:15,760
new york or or or the

3388
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:17,680
like in the planet of the apes the study

3389
02:21:20,630 --> 02:21:19,840
the statue leave it you were to destroy

3390
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:20,640
it

3391
02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:24,000
and we see that some part of us say

3392
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:26,160
well that will never happen to us

3393
02:21:31,830 --> 02:21:28,800
because we are the advanced ones well no

3394
02:21:33,670 --> 02:21:31,840
i mean if it happened to account it

3395
02:21:36,870 --> 02:21:33,680
could certainly happen to us

3396
02:21:41,270 --> 02:21:36,880
so i guess

3397
02:21:43,510 --> 02:21:41,280
i don't know what i'm going with this is

3398
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:43,520
there's a lot of great knowledge that is

3399
02:21:48,870 --> 02:21:45,520
to be gained from looking at the past

3400
02:21:52,120 --> 02:21:48,880
to try not to fall into this

3401
02:21:53,590 --> 02:21:52,130
their same mistakes but also

3402
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:53,600
[Music]

3403
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:57,280
we have to to to

3404
02:22:04,070 --> 02:22:00,720
give those cultures their due credit

3405
02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,080
you know not everything that was

3406
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:07,200
amazing about the past was

3407
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:09,760
uh has to be attributed to ancient

3408
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:10,800
aliens in fact

3409
02:22:15,270 --> 02:22:13,280
probably none of it should be attributed

3410
02:22:18,710 --> 02:22:15,280
to ancient titles we know who

3411
02:22:21,429 --> 02:22:18,720
we know how the egyptians built

3412
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:21,439
the pyramids the big question to me is

3413
02:22:24,710 --> 02:22:22,160
not

3414
02:22:25,590 --> 02:22:24,720
how they build it but why you know and

3415
02:22:27,510 --> 02:22:25,600
also

3416
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:27,520
to me the big question about all these

3417
02:22:31,830 --> 02:22:28,800
uh temples is

3418
02:22:34,150 --> 02:22:31,840
why they needed to build them

3419
02:22:36,469 --> 02:22:34,160
chichen itza like the one of the

3420
02:22:39,990 --> 02:22:36,479
greatest cities of the mayas

3421
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:40,000
the great pyramid of kukulkan

3422
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:43,520
the feather serpent is built right on

3423
02:22:47,750 --> 02:22:44,160
top

3424
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:47,760
of cenote which is one of the sacred

3425
02:22:52,070 --> 02:22:51,760
wells of water who in their right mind

3426
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:52,080
will

3427
02:22:59,270 --> 02:22:55,760
build a temple

3428
02:23:01,990 --> 02:22:59,280
right on top of a of a well of water

3429
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:02,000
you know why would you do it and

3430
02:23:05,670 --> 02:23:02,720
obviously

3431
02:23:06,630 --> 02:23:05,680
they had a reason for it and if you

3432
02:23:10,389 --> 02:23:06,640
learn

3433
02:23:13,990 --> 02:23:10,399
the the the etymology of of of the word

3434
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:14,000
itsai which is how the the those uh

3435
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:16,800
uh descendants of the mayans call

3436
02:23:21,910 --> 02:23:17,600
themselves

3437
02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:21,920
itzai means what water wizards

3438
02:23:28,389 --> 02:23:25,359
you know so these guys

3439
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:28,399
have some deep knowledge we

3440
02:23:33,270 --> 02:23:31,520
may not have an inkling about may have

3441
02:23:36,870 --> 02:23:33,280
something to do with ancient illness

3442
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,880
maybe not but yeah there's something

3443
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:38,960
to be learned there and we are learning

3444
02:23:42,469 --> 02:23:39,920
more and more

3445
02:23:43,910 --> 02:23:42,479
now using our modern technology that

3446
02:23:47,670 --> 02:23:43,920
we're finding

3447
02:23:50,710 --> 02:23:47,680
uh more uh

3448
02:23:52,630 --> 02:23:50,720
cities of the mayas scattered where

3449
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:52,640
we only thought there were jungles you

3450
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:54,160
know that we thought oh yeah

3451
02:23:57,270 --> 02:23:56,080
you know their mayas were just a few

3452
02:24:00,550 --> 02:23:57,280
cities no we're actually

3453
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:00,560
finding cities all around the

3454
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:02,960
the central central america and we're

3455
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:04,800
also finding cities uh

3456
02:24:08,150 --> 02:24:07,359
in the amazons where we thought that

3457
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:08,160
only

3458
02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:11,680
uh nomadic tribes you know uh amazonian

3459
02:24:15,110 --> 02:24:13,840
you know indians that are

3460
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:15,120
hunter-gatherers

3461
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:17,760
lived no we're actually finding very

3462
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:19,120
advanced

3463
02:24:30,070 --> 02:24:25,750
urban centers there there's a lot to be

3464
02:24:33,030 --> 02:24:30,080
to be learned and we i'm i'm sure that

3465
02:24:33,830 --> 02:24:33,040
if if if returning to the the previous

3466
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:33,840
questions

3467
02:24:37,750 --> 02:24:36,640
one thing that i'm sure of is that five

3468
02:24:40,469 --> 02:24:37,760
years from now we're

3469
02:24:42,230 --> 02:24:40,479
going to learn a whole lot more about

3470
02:24:45,270 --> 02:24:42,240
our past

3471
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:45,280
than what we knew you know or what we

3472
02:24:49,830 --> 02:24:45,840
not

3473
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:49,840
know today rpg that's a great wrap-up

3474
02:24:52,950 --> 02:24:51,840
i really i really appreciate it you know

3475
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:52,960
i again

3476
02:24:55,990 --> 02:24:55,359
thank you so much for being on and and

3477
02:24:58,790 --> 02:24:56,000
sharing

3478
02:24:59,830 --> 02:24:58,800
you know everything that you have and um

3479
02:25:03,270 --> 02:24:59,840
you know i'm glad

3480
02:25:05,429 --> 02:25:03,280
we got to connect again um so i hope

3481
02:25:06,950 --> 02:25:05,439
i hope uh maybe in the future we can do

3482
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:06,960
this hopefully sooner

3483
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:10,000
next time maybe if you will

3484
02:25:13,349 --> 02:25:12,399
yeah at least sooner than seven years

3485
02:25:15,349 --> 02:25:13,359
right we should

3486
02:25:16,790 --> 02:25:15,359
we should do uh you know every seven

3487
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:16,800
years we'll just do an interview how

3488
02:25:22,790 --> 02:25:21,270
well thank you i i can't thank you

3489
02:25:23,990 --> 02:25:22,800
enough and i'm sure everyone else

3490
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:24,000
watching would appreciate

3491
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:26,560
your perspective too so everyone else

3492
02:25:30,790 --> 02:25:27,600
watching please

3493
02:25:33,349 --> 02:25:30,800
uh check out rpg's websites

3494
02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:33,359
and all that he does with that rpg the

3495
02:25:37,349 --> 02:25:35,280
first the grail website is

3496
02:25:39,830 --> 02:25:37,359
do they search for your name to see the

3497
02:25:43,110 --> 02:25:39,840
articles that you've written

3498
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:43,120
okay yes yes there's only you know two

3499
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:43,520
main

3500
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:46,560
writers on that website is greg taylor

3501
02:25:50,710 --> 02:25:48,240
the owner of the site

3502
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:50,720
myself red pill junkie you'll see you

3503
02:25:57,190 --> 02:25:53,040
will easily see who wrote what

3504
02:26:00,550 --> 02:25:57,200
and if i may uh if you can if you

3505
02:26:01,030 --> 02:26:00,560
go to the site and if you read and and

3506
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:01,040
you find

3507
02:26:08,070 --> 02:26:05,520
if you can

3508
02:26:09,110 --> 02:26:08,080
find it that you can want us to support

3509
02:26:11,830 --> 02:26:09,120
us we have a

3510
02:26:12,790 --> 02:26:11,840
patreon page but we will greatly

3511
02:26:17,750 --> 02:26:12,800
appreciate

3512
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,760
give us you know even you know one

3513
02:26:21,270 --> 02:26:19,439
dollar a month would be greatly

3514
02:26:24,630 --> 02:26:21,280
appreciated you know this is

3515
02:26:25,910 --> 02:26:24,640
uh uh something that we that rake taylor

3516
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:25,920
has been doing since

3517
02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:28,399
you know the 1990s you know the daily

3518
02:26:34,309 --> 02:26:30,720
grill is one of the longest running

3519
02:26:37,590 --> 02:26:34,319
uh websites about paranormal

3520
02:26:40,389 --> 02:26:37,600
alternative news out there in

3521
02:26:41,429 --> 02:26:40,399
in the internet so if you can help us

3522
02:26:45,349 --> 02:26:41,439
out

3523
02:26:47,910 --> 02:26:45,359
i would greatly appreciate it we are

3524
02:26:49,030 --> 02:26:47,920
trying to prepare a lot of cool contact

3525
02:26:52,070 --> 02:26:49,040
content for our

3526
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:52,080
patreon subscribers not just the content

3527
02:26:57,270 --> 02:26:53,920
of the page we're also thinking about

3528
02:26:57,750 --> 02:26:57,280
having interviews with authors uh you

3529
02:27:01,270 --> 02:26:57,760
know

3530
02:27:03,830 --> 02:27:01,280
videos also giving away

3531
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:03,840
books the the kind of books that we uh

3532
02:27:11,670 --> 02:27:04,800
publish

3533
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:11,680
for example one of the things that we

3534
02:27:18,550 --> 02:27:13,359
have recently released

3535
02:27:20,870 --> 02:27:18,560
is uh 50th year anniversary edition

3536
02:27:21,670 --> 02:27:20,880
of passport to magonia and these are

3537
02:27:25,030 --> 02:27:21,680
books that are

3538
02:27:29,110 --> 02:27:25,040
signed by jacques valene so anderson

3539
02:27:32,309 --> 02:27:29,120
this is a very limited edition uh uh

3540
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:32,319
of only 300 copies so if

3541
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:35,520
you are a collector of rare books

3542
02:27:40,550 --> 02:27:38,560
about ufology this is something that you

3543
02:27:41,670 --> 02:27:40,560
would definitely like to add to your

3544
02:27:45,990 --> 02:27:41,680
your

3545
02:27:47,590 --> 02:27:46,000
book collection uh as for myself well

3546
02:27:49,110 --> 02:27:47,600
i mean aside from the daily grail

3547
02:27:51,270 --> 02:27:49,120
there's my other website

3548
02:27:52,150 --> 02:27:51,280
absorbed by design.com like i said is

3549
02:27:54,150 --> 02:27:52,160
like my

3550
02:27:55,830 --> 02:27:54,160
art gallery this work this is where

3551
02:27:58,870 --> 02:27:55,840
people can contact me

3552
02:28:00,870 --> 02:27:58,880
if they want to hire me

3553
02:28:02,630 --> 02:28:00,880
to create some kind of art commission or

3554
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:02,640
maybe to design

3555
02:28:07,429 --> 02:28:05,920
a book cover i've designed the covers of

3556
02:28:10,469 --> 02:28:07,439
some of my friends

3557
02:28:14,469 --> 02:28:10,479
uh like greg bishop alan gore rightly

3558
02:28:17,750 --> 02:28:14,479
susan susan demeter robbie graham

3559
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:17,760
i'm trying to improve the quality of the

3560
02:28:22,469 --> 02:28:21,200
designed in in ufo related books one

3561
02:28:25,270 --> 02:28:22,479
book at a time

3562
02:28:26,309 --> 02:28:25,280
uh it's a level of love but somebody has

3563
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:26,319
got it to it

3564
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:29,760
uh and yeah i mean that that's where

3565
02:28:35,270 --> 02:28:32,960
people can find me and

3566
02:28:36,150 --> 02:28:35,280
and if you also they want to there's

3567
02:28:38,710 --> 02:28:36,160
also ways to

3568
02:28:39,670 --> 02:28:38,720
you know contact me if you have you know

3569
02:28:42,309 --> 02:28:39,680
uh

3570
02:28:43,750 --> 02:28:42,319
other types of i wish um i forgive me i

3571
02:28:46,150 --> 02:28:43,760
wish i would have thought of you

3572
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:46,160
a while back when i was um i had this

3573
02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:48,800
concept of this idea in my head where

3574
02:28:53,349 --> 02:28:51,600
um scientists you know they're so um

3575
02:28:55,510 --> 02:28:53,359
focused on the nuts and bolts

3576
02:28:56,389 --> 02:28:55,520
and and the aliens are like pretty much

3577
02:28:57,830 --> 02:28:56,399
here

3578
02:28:59,429 --> 02:28:57,840
all we've got to do is just turn around

3579
02:29:01,510 --> 02:28:59,439
and greet them so to say

3580
02:29:03,270 --> 02:29:01,520
i was trying to find i was looking for

3581
02:29:05,270 --> 02:29:03,280
an artist and i found somebody

3582
02:29:06,710 --> 02:29:05,280
to sketch it out and make it into a

3583
02:29:07,510 --> 02:29:06,720
t-shirt where there's a scientist

3584
02:29:09,910 --> 02:29:07,520
looking at the

3585
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:09,920
footprints of an alien and the alien

3586
02:29:12,790 --> 02:29:11,680
standing behind him saying excuse me and

3587
02:29:15,750 --> 02:29:12,800
the scientist says

3588
02:29:16,710 --> 02:29:15,760
you know uh um it says um i forgot what

3589
02:29:18,710 --> 02:29:16,720
he said something like

3590
02:29:20,230 --> 02:29:18,720
leave me alone i'm looking for aliens or

3591
02:29:22,790 --> 02:29:20,240
something like that you know

3592
02:29:24,389 --> 02:29:22,800
anyway so i i definitely have some other

3593
02:29:27,030 --> 02:29:24,399
future ideas and and

3594
02:29:27,590 --> 02:29:27,040
uh you know that i that i want to kind

3595
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:27,600
of put

3596
02:29:30,870 --> 02:29:29,840
out there and i'm glad you said that i

3597
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:30,880
really will you know

3598
02:29:33,910 --> 02:29:32,319
would like to then reach out to you and

3599
02:29:35,990 --> 02:29:33,920
see if you would be interested

3600
02:29:38,070 --> 02:29:36,000
you know not not many maybe one one or

3601
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:38,080
two other shirts that i just had kind of

3602
02:29:42,710 --> 02:29:40,319
sure mine i mean i i can draw myself but

3603
02:29:44,870 --> 02:29:42,720
i have so much stuff going on that the

3604
02:29:46,790 --> 02:29:44,880
if i can just give that to someone else

3605
02:29:50,070 --> 02:29:46,800
to help out that would be great so

3606
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:50,080
i'll keep you in mind for sure so yeah i

3607
02:29:52,550 --> 02:29:50,800
certainly hope

3608
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:52,560
uh uh you know people check out your

3609
02:29:56,950 --> 02:29:55,040
site you know and consider donating and

3610
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:56,960
and uh you have done great work and

3611
02:30:00,630 --> 02:29:58,319
that's why i wanted to talk to you

3612
02:30:02,630 --> 02:30:00,640
as well today so i'm glad you were able

3613
02:30:04,630 --> 02:30:02,640
to share you know your vast knowledge

3614
02:30:06,309 --> 02:30:04,640
and again i really mean it i hope we get

3615
02:30:08,710 --> 02:30:06,319
to uh do this again

3616
02:30:10,630 --> 02:30:08,720
in the future and then go go more into

3617
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:10,640
the research side of things where today

3618
02:30:14,870 --> 02:30:12,080
we kind of just kind of exchange

3619
02:30:17,270 --> 02:30:14,880
perspectives you know and um so i hope

3620
02:30:20,389 --> 02:30:17,280
everyone else enjoyed i'm sure they did

3621
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:20,399
and so again check out rpgs websites

3622
02:30:24,630 --> 02:30:23,040
um rpg again thank you thank you so much

3623
02:30:27,190 --> 02:30:24,640
we stayed way longer than

3624
02:30:27,990 --> 02:30:27,200
initially anticipated but i'm i'm glad

3625
02:30:31,110 --> 02:30:28,000
you did

3626
02:30:31,990 --> 02:30:31,120
and um so everyone else watching uh tune

3627
02:30:35,349 --> 02:30:32,000
in next week

3628
02:30:36,070 --> 02:30:35,359
uh for open lines at 7. i'm not sure if

3629
02:30:38,870 --> 02:30:36,080
i will have an

3630
02:30:39,830 --> 02:30:38,880
interview for webcast for you to drop on

3631
02:30:42,550 --> 02:30:39,840
wednesday but

3632
02:30:42,950 --> 02:30:42,560
i'll see i'm working on on something uh

3633
02:30:49,750 --> 02:30:42,960
if

3634
02:30:51,349 --> 02:30:49,760
7 p.m central time open lines and again

3635
02:30:54,070 --> 02:30:51,359
if you go to telegram you can use

3636
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:54,080
telegram to basically sign up find a ufo

3637
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:54,960
hub group

3638
02:31:00,150 --> 02:30:58,240
and then wait for the voice chat and

3639
02:31:01,429 --> 02:31:00,160
we can we can chat last time i think we

3640
02:31:03,110 --> 02:31:01,439
did it three hour

3641
02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:03,120
where people were sharing their stories

3642
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:05,280
and experiences and i found it awesome

3643
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:05,920
and

3644
02:31:09,270 --> 02:31:07,520
it seems like a lot of other people did

3645
02:31:11,670 --> 02:31:09,280
too so everyone

3646
02:31:12,710 --> 02:31:11,680
rpj thank you everyone watching thank

3647
02:31:26,830 --> 02:31:12,720
you very much